Hi John;
I agree 100 per cent.
These Kenwood radios are accessible right out of the box as far as I am
concerned.,
Hope all of you had a wonderful Thanksgiving.
73 De Anthony W2AJV
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: ReModern Radios and Accessibility
> You don't need a voice chip to make something accessible. A beep pattern
> here and there, or menus that don't rap around or beep at the low settings
> or defaults, that's all I need to be happy. Frequency is nice but I can
> live
> with out it and the IC-T90A even gives that in CW.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Schulte" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 7:26 PM
> Subject: Re: ReModern Radios and Accessibility
>
>
>>I agree with you Colin, I had a yaesu ft2800m, and just recently gave a
>> 1802m to a blind ham in Il. He has the manual in pdf format, and since I
>> had used the radio before, I was more then willing to help him with
>> things
>> that he wasn't familiar with.
>>
>> I also really don't see what's wrong with using a radio attached to a
>> computer, I mean let's think about this, if you're in your shack, more
>> then
>> likely, you're going to have a computer there anyway, so why not use what
>> you can with what you have.
>>
>> Now I have been one of those that has shouted quite loudly about Icom not
>> having the accessibility that they should, and I still maintain that
>> something better can be done by a majority of radio manufacturers, but
>> what
>> I have done is downloaded the manual on a radio if it's available before
>> purchasing it, and if I read it and see that it can be worked out, then I
>> usually don't have a problem buying it. How many people here have hts
>> and
>> use them quite a bit? Now out of that number, how many have "accessible"
>> hts? Other then the puxing, there's nothing with a voice chip in it in
>> an
>> ht, but we all use them. So, let's really consider how we say things
>> sometimes before we make blanket statements.
>> Chris, w8cjs
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Colin McDonald" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 5:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: ReModern Radios and Accessibility
>>
>>
>>> well, I thought the ft101E was one of the most accessible radios, with
>>> the
>>> acception that you had no voice readout of frequency and S meter, but a
>>> good
>>> ear will tell you what an approximate signal is, and if you use the
>>> method
>>> of listening for the sqwak every 100KC, you could easily tune and get an
>>> approximate idea of where you were on any given band.
>>> Most of the older rigs were like that, many of them Yaesu's.
>>> Most of the modern Yaesu's can be used by a blind person just fine....so
>>> saying none of them are at all accessible is not correct.
>>> I have an FT2800M downstairs that I use on a daily basis and it works
>>> and
>>> functions just perfectly. I have the manual in PDF format and when i
>>> want
>>> to make a menu change i simply look in the manual, count clicks and
>>> button
>>> presses, and away I go.
>>> If i get stuck, a simple partial reset to get menus back to default
>>> starts
>>> me out fresh again.
>>> It has direct frequency entry on the mike and one touch hot keys for any
>>> number of functions.
>>> Now tell me that most of yaesu's radios don't have all of these features
>>> and
>>> more.
>>> You guys wouldn't know because you hear yaesu and automatically discard
>>> anything about them instead of trying some and finding out that they can
>>> actually be made to work. Are they accessible as they could be, of
>>> course
>>> not, but most things in this sighted world aren't as accessible as we
>>> would
>>> like or as they could be, and we get over it and find ways of getting
>>> around
>>> them.
>>> Sell phones only recently began to have the capability of screen
>>> readers,
>>> yet it certainly didn't stop blind folks from having and using sell
>>> phones
>>> as best they could....but as soon as something accessible comes out, all
>>> of
>>> a sudden any phone that can't support a screen reader becomes
>>> unaccessible
>>> and unusable by blind people...similar situation with amateur radios I
>>> think.
>>> should we purposely use less accessible radios? naturally not. we go for
>>> the
>>> most accessible as we should. but saying that perfectly accessible,
>>> though
>>> not as accessible as other radios, are unaccessible is bordering on
>>> ignorance and a lack of desire to enhance ones world by finding ways
>>> around
>>> lesser accessibility.
>>>
>>> 73
>>> Colin, V A6BKX
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Anthony Vece" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 12:02 PM
>>> Subject: Re: ReModern Radios and Accessibility
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Eric;
>>>>
>>>> I wouldn't even consider Yaesu.
>>>>
>>>> There radios are not accessible and they have no intentions of making
>>>> them
>>>> accessible.
>>>>
>>>> 73 De Anthony W2AJV
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>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Eric Clegg" <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2007 1:37 PM
>>>> Subject: ReModern Radios and Accessibility
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Hello listers,
>>>> > It seems that the more modern the rigs get the less accessible they
>>>> > get.
>>>> >
>>>> > For instance the little Yaesu ft817nd has to be accessorized with one
>>>> > of
>>>> > two
>>>> > keypads to make it workable. You still would have to get many of the
>>> fine
>>>> > options from w4rt to turn it into a real radio such as the two board
>>>> > filters, a better battery pack and a host of other accessories.
>>>> >
>>>> > Also if you use the keypad fromJohn Hansen or Radio Mate from BHI of
>>>> > England
>>>> > you can't use the accessory jack on the back.
>>>> >
>>>> > I understand that the box for the k2 that reads out in CW is pretty
>>>> > complete
>>>> > in the information it has to give.
>>>> >
>>>> > With respect to the Elecraft k3 now is the time to urge the
>>>> > manufacturer
>>>> > to
>>>> > make it accessible while it is the development stages. Not when
>>>> > they've
>>>> > shipped a thousand of them.
>>>> >
>>>> > Their comments about a small market is just junk.
>>>> >
>>>> > As a blind person I'd be willing to pay at least $300 additional if
>>>> > the
>>>> > rig
>>>> > could be made completely accessible.
>>>> >
>>>> > If I were to get a rig right now I'd probably get a Kenwood TS480SAT
>>> which
>>>> > is quite accessible out of the box.
>>>> >
>>>> > Or a Ten-Tec Argonaut V which I would propose to control with a
>>>> > computer
>>>> > program such as the n4PY program.
>>>> >
>>>> > For my needs right now I only require 20 watts or so and easily turn
>>> down
>>>> > the power on a Kenwood.
>>>> >
>>>> > Have a happy Thanksgiving everyone.
>>>> >
>>>> > Best 73's,
>>>> >
>>>> > Eric
>>>> > KU3I
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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