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If the democratic candidates RESPECT the views of pro-abortionists, it doesn't make them pro-abortionists. I'm not sure where Hillary and Barack stand on this issue but it is important to know that democrats know the limit to which lawmakers can IMPOSE their personal beliefs on others and that's commendable. The Senate is not a church or a mosque!  The Senate is a secular institution and senators must realize they are not necessarily there to propagate their personal values but to seek the good of the entire nation even when such "good" might not go well with their personal wishes.


> 
> "That is no way implies that he "believes it is just fine" to smuggle 
> 
> children across state lines for abortions against their parents' 
> will.  What it does is leave an option for a "child" for which 
> seeking a parent's consent is not an option, as in when the child may 
> 
> be beaten, kicked out onto the streets, or worse, even killed.  If 
> parents have the kind of relationship wherein their children talk to 
> them, they will come talk to them.  But Obama's and his people's 
> position is that you cannot impose a tragic situation upon a child 
> who does not live under such rosy circumstances."
> 
> If he voted against the ban, then he must be for it. This is a black 
> and white issue, actually. His vote is what counts...not what he 
> thinks. Your statement above seems to be a 'scare tactic' used to 
> frighten people into believing that ban is a good idea. Barack and 
> Hillary are willing to eliminate parental rights to further their 
> pro-abortion agenda. 
> 
> You are aware, I assume, that a large number of teens are impregnated 
> by adult men. What we are dealing with much of the time is the child's 
> consequences of disobedience. Yes, they're afraid, because the 
> majority of them violated rules imposed by their parents. It does not  
> discourage them or help them learn that the rules are there for their 
> protection when they are surrounded by other adults, 'authority 
> figures,' who will help them 'hide' the evidence of their wrongdoing 
> or that of someone else. If a minor is physically intimate with an 
> adult, it's a crime. Do you realize that places like Planned 
> Parenthood don't report when a minor informs them that she's been 
> intimate with an adult? Other health practitioners are required by law 
> to report these instances as assault. 
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Stafford Anderson <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Friday, February 15, 2008 2:16 pm
> Subject: Re: Barack on all Issues
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> > I disagree with your assessment.  As proven time and again, many  
> > parents do not see beyond immediate circumstances, either, and many  
> 
> > "children" have to fend for themselves.  But the topic was your  
> > misinterpretation of Obama's stance on S403.  Again, he said:
> > 
> > "Some States have parental consent laws, some don't. In my 
> particular  
> > 
> > State, it has been voted down because my people feel that if you ask 
>  
> > 
> > them, "Do they want their kids to come to their parents?",  
> > absolutely. But if you ask them, "Should you force them to do so,  
> > even in circumstances where there could be trouble that comes from  
> 
> > that?", they say no."
> > 
> > That is no way implies that he "believes it is just fine" to smuggle 
>  
> > 
> > children across state lines for abortions against their parents'  
> > will.  What it does is leave an option for a "child" for which  
> > seeking a parent's consent is not an option, as in when the child 
> may  
> > 
> > be beaten, kicked out onto the streets, or worse, even killed.  If  
> 
> > parents have the kind of relationship wherein their children talk to 
>  
> > 
> > them, they will come talk to them.  But Obama's and his people's  
> > position is that you cannot impose a tragic situation upon a child  
> 
> > who does not live under such rosy circumstances.
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > 
> > On Feb 15, 2008, at 10:13, VERA R CROWELL wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes, there are myriad reasons, but they are 'children,' not 
> adults,  
> > 
> > > and those decisions should not be made lightly nor should they be  
> 
> > > made without the parent's knowledge and consent. Children cannot  
> 
> > > see farther than their immediate circumstances...they are 
> children.  
> > 
> > > They are unable to properly analyze situations; many parents in  
> > > this situation would not want their grandchildren aborted. The  
> > > family will find a way, together, to work it out. The children  
> > > don't give their parents a chance; they are afraid and other 
> adults  
> > 
> > > prey on that fear and assist the children in mistrusting their  
> > > parents.
> > >
> > > ******************************
> > > "In the days before volcanoes were invented, lava had to be hand  
> 
> > > carried down from the mountains and poured on the sleeping villagers.
> > > This took a great deal of time."
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: John Stafford Anderson <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Date: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:21 am
> > > Subject: Re: Barack on all Issues
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
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> > >> Those 15 states that do not have consent laws realize there are
> > >> myriad reasons why a "child" would not want to tell a parent, and
> > >> your statistics do not account for them.  Obama was addressing this
> > >> in his vote and response.
> > >>
> > >> Interestingly of the 35 consent law states, Obama has won 25 if you
> > >> go ahead and include WI, MT, and MS.
> > >>
> > >> John
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Feb 15, 2008, at 08:56, VERA R CROWELL wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Taking someone's child across state lines to have an abortion
> > >>> without her parent's consent has nothing to do with saving the
> > >>> lives of pregnant women. Very few abortions are performed in order
> > >>
> > >>> to preserve the life of the mother or because the baby isn't  
> > >>> healthy.
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