Thank you. Did you read and understand Kayatta's response to you in another  
community? I recommend you share mine with your many communities where you 
seek  secours. I ain't havin it. I will rehabilitate you. And I will do it here. 
The  mark of the lunatic is to canvass for edification. The problem is with  
understanding and synthesis of simple English. I suggest you begin 
communicating  in Mandinka or other language you're prolific in until you can grasp the 
essence  of nouns and verbs. Or you will wreck Islam.
 
Masoud. MJDT Darbo. Al Mutawakkil. I'm aware of listless Munaafiqs also.  
That phases me nair. I don't cavort with Ibliss. At any cost.
 
In a message dated 1/6/2008 3:43:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
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what a  wonderful reply haruna. 

Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]>  wrote:  Hello Suntou Touray, How are 
you? I hope good.

From some  of our conversations I have learned that you and I could be 
related  through my uncle Sidia and the Tourays of Sutukoba, Sutukonding, and 
Jah  
Kunda. I wish to declare now that I wish to disown you as a member of my  
mbaringkunda. I still desire to have the other Tourays as my uncles. But I  
must 
sever relation with you.

I know that you are mentally unstable  now and I will train on your 
rehabilitation were that possible. I will  write slowly and I will use 
primary words to 
minimize mal-comprehension. I  will use your boat load of shit here to assist 
you.

"My view on the  two great concepts. read along." Suntou.

I am pleased you admit that  Religion and Democracy are great concepts. Why 
you feel you should mention  the two in the same breath escapes me. You are 
better advised to compare  Religions. Or to compare administrative ideals. 
Religion and Democracy are  antitheses of each other. They are mutually 
exclusive. 
Democracy solves  the problems of disparate religion.

"hundreds of people sacrifice time  and money for both concepts to improve 
the physical and spritutal needs of  man."

Sacrifice of time and money is REQUIRED in Religions. For  whatever reason.
Sacrifice of time and money is VOLUNTARY in Democracy. For  whatever reason.

"from missionary activities to political activist some  get killed along both 
ways." Suntou.
Yes. And they are killed by idiots  and lunatics like you.

"isn't it time humanity realise both ideas and  concepts are here to stay." 
Suntou.
As long as we have idiots, both  concepts are here to stay.

"they cannot do without each other."  Suntou.

They can exist without each other. In fact each flourishes  without the other.

"we are all religious in some way."  Suntou.

We are all clueless about divinity and creation to one extent  or the other. 
We are not all religious neither do we all need to be  religious for any 
reason. Religion is the quest to know and or find God  were that your pursuit.

"and we are all political in some others ways."  Suntou.

What does being political have to do with  
democracy???????????????????????????????????????

"it is just my  humble thoughts." Suntou.

They are not humble. They are the harbinger  of intolerance and sectarianism.

"THE RELIGIOUS PHOBIA"
THE PHOBIA  OF IDIOTS, NOT RELIGION"

"It has become part of the culture of  intellectuals and academics and those 
aspiring for status on that line to  have deep phobia for religion." Suntou.

It has become part of the  culture of intellectuals and academics and those 
aspiring to harmonious  life to be wary of intolerant and gullible idiots.

"Students of  knowledge and propagators of religion often encounter these 
intellectuals  usually with very strong condemnation for religious people."  
Suntou.

Students of knowledge encounter these intolerant lunatics  usually driven by 
dishonest and misplaced zealotry. Students of knowledge  aspire to be 
intellectuals and academics. That is why they are students of  knowledge in 
the first 
place. And they seek knowledge in good religion and  harmonious living both.

"One wonders what the problem of all this  phobia for religion is about?" 
Suntou.

The mentally unstable like  you create problems of phobia for religion where 
none exists.

"It  seems that these haters of religion need to look within themselves and 
to  analyse what is making them have the anti-religion line of The religious  
phobia thinking." Suntou.

Lunatics like you belong in Campama. They  create hate and animus among 
people of different religions.

"They  aim to let us talk in language devoid of any religious sentiment, yet 
they  will not hesitate to propagate the noble and all-perfect idea of  
democracy." Suntou.

The sober intellectuals and academics encourage  even sufism, the ultimate 
indulgence in religion. What they do not  encourage is the masquerade of 
lunatics like you who will likely persecute  folk of other religions when 
given the 
opportunity. They do not propagate  Democracy. They share democracy. 
Democracy 
is only noble to the beholder  of democracy. Democracy is NOT an ALL-PERFECT 
IDEA.

"They believe  that democracy, can work without any religious side to it."  
Suntou.

You are right. Democracy flourishes when it is neutral as  to religion as 
long as there are varied religions. Even lunatics have  their moments of 
revelations. The Moon-sighter for Ramadan.

"I  doubt that concept very much." Suntou.

Very well. But what Suntou  doubts or appreciates is not significant to his 
fellow human.

"I  believe that the greatest achievement man can have is his/her salvation  
from hell." Suntou.

Exactly. And to figure out how to attain  salvation from hellfire and 
brimstone, man embarks on a journey of STUDENT  OF KNOWLEDGE.

"What does democracy tell us concerning how to achieve  salvation?" Suntou.

Democracy is not interested in your salvation. You  must find solace in your 
chosen religion for that.

"How many great  proponents of democracy left us in this beautiful world?"  
Suntou.

What an idiot? How many pious and religious idiots left us  in this beautiful 
world??? Who is trained on material and worldly beauty I  may ask? All honest 
humans please raise your hands. Not you  Suntou.

"Some of them even get killed by their opponents."  Suntou.

Pakistan. Rwanda, Herzegovina, Shrebrenitza, Bristol, Watts,  Lappland, 
Palestine, Kenya, South Africa, Gambia, Sierra Leone, Somalia,  Ogaden, 
Jijiga, 
Eritrea, Mauritania, Egypt.

"People of religion  hardly have any problem with democracy and secular 
ways."  Suntou.

Why would they? And democracy consolidates rights to religions  and rights to 
lunacy.

"It is the so-called advocates of democracy  who can't accept others." Suntou.

I imagine you understand that those  people are not really trained on 
democracy otherwise you would not call  them "so-called advocates". And you 
are a 
so-called propagator of  Islam".

"Consider the countless wars on others just for them to accept  democracy." 
Suntou.

You lied here. Name one war whose purpose was  to force democracy on others. 
I vill be vaiting.

"Why is force  always been part of democracy?" Suntou.

You lied again. Force is  anathema to democracy. Democracy aims to preclude 
force and forcible  persuasion.

"I also wonder why the biggest democratic countries have  unlimited fire 
power that can obliterate rest of the animal kingdom."  Suntou.

Name the your biggest democratic countries. You are trained on  lies Suntou. 
Think! Think for God's sakes.

"These fire powers are  usually in the hands of the defenders of the now 
divine idea democracy."  Suntou.

Democracy is a divine idea to the extent God/Allah wishes  his/her children 
to live in harmony on earth before they answer to  him/her. If you believe in 
Allah, you will understand that fire power is  not terribly significant. Fire 
power is for lunatics and idiots among us  when rehabilitation and natural 
culling misses them.

"They still  tell us that religion is the cause of human rights violation and 
abject  backwardness." Suntou.

NO. Idiots and lunatics in religion are the  cause of intolerance, 
decrepitude, malaise, and voluntary  enslavement.

"Consider some simple questions:" Suntou.
OK. Shoot!  No, NOT WITH A GUN YOU IDIOT.

"Was religion responsible for the  genocide or holocaust of the Jews?".
NO. It was ethnic intolerance that was  responsible for that.

"and genocide in Rwanda and Burundi?"  Suntou.

No. It was ethnic intolerance and complex d'inferiorite that  were 
responsible for that. Poverty of soul that is.

"Of the wars on  Iraq how much do you blame that on religion? Suntou.

Let's see:
The  war between Iraq and Iran was one of Religious intolerance and greed.
The  war between Iraq and Kuwait was one of greed and lunacy.
Desert storm was  the invasion of Iraq by the US to reverse the latter lunacy.
The current  war with between George Bush and Saddam Husein was to avenge the 
threat on  the former's father's life, and to dispense with the Lunatic. Oil 
will  have been a collateral spoil of war.
Do you see Democracy in any of these?  I knew you were clueless. Where 
democracy came in in the first two wars  Iraq-Iran and Iraq-Kuwait is that 
all men 
are created equal with  inalienable rights to association for religion and 
industry. For the third  war, the concept of "To every action, there is an 
equal 
and opposite  reaction". That could lead to death and carnage.

"Was it not based on  the forces of democracy willed on a people whose 
culture and social values  differ with democracy in all its facets?" Suntou.

You did not  understand or you wanted to lie again as you are pre-disposed. 
Who among  these warriors is a force of Democracy? How can you will Democracy 
on  anybody? Are you sure you understand what democracy is Suntou?

"Again  was it religion that was responsible for the usage of the chemical 
'agent  orange' on the Vietnamese people and the Burmese people?" Suntou.

I  should think not. That was for greed and empire. But Religious intolerance 
 
was responsible for the chemical spraying of the Kurds and Iranians.  Ethnic 
intolerance and greed were responsible for the Servo-Bosnian ethnic  
cleansing. Religious and ethnic intolerance was responsible for the Darfur  
genocide 
that is currently in full steam.

"The list can go on and  on." Suntou.

I know. Cluelessness knows no bounds.

"But secular  fundamentalists don't wish to answer those questions." Suntou.

What is  a secular fundamentalist? Or do you just wish to coin an intolerant  
adjective similar to religious fundamentalist? And FYI, religious  
fundamentalist is not necessarily bad. Lunacy and idiotic intolerance is  
what is bad. 
Neither have anything to do with Democracy.

"mostly  they get entangled between corporate interest and promotion of 
democracy."  Suntou.

Neither of the above two has anything to do with democracy.  Sounds like 
dishonesty and deceit of the clueless lunatics.

"The  two are closely intertwined so much that their difference is blurred."  
Suntou.

Blurred to the lunatic intolerant.

"Any comment  about what the Almighty says is looked at with disdain and 
apprehension."  Suntou.

Which Almighty? Your Almighty? Are you sure you know what even  your Almighty 
says to you?

"The struggle between man's interest and  God's principle has been going on 
for a long time and that struggle will  continue." Suntou.

No. You got it upside down Suntou. I think you mean  to say "the struggle for 
man's interest has been going on since time  immemorial". And "the struggle 
to understand God's principles has been  going on since time immemorial." 
Man's 
interests and God's principles are  not at loggerheads. No where in history 
have you learned that. How can you  compete with your maker? What are you 
studying in school  again????????????

"The two great ideas concerning love of God and the  treatment of fellow 
human beings with respect and love are promoted both  by religion and 
democracy." 
Suntou.

And that is good.

"Where  the two differ is on the issue of worship and morality." Suntou.

How  so???

"Belief and disbelief is a matter of personal choice for every  human being." 
Suntou.

YES.

"God never forces us to believe  in him." Suntou.

Very good.

"He endowed us our free will. But he  reminds us that the long journey will 
end some day and then we will have  no choice but give him our account." 
Suntou.

Are you prepared to meet  him and give him your account then????????????????

"The vital issue  that secular democrats highlight concerning religion is the 
different  religious sects or groups existing and each group is calling to 
its ways."  Suntou.

I guess you present Secular Fundamentalist and Secular Democrat  as 
synonymous then. YES. I, as an advocate of democratic life, acknowledge  the 
individual's intrinsic right to association for religion and industry.  I 
also do not 
appreciate any individual of any religion persecuting  another of another 
religion. I guess that can be translated for you to  mean; "MIND YOUR OWN 
RELIGIOUS 
BUSINESS". LAKUM DEENIKUM, WALYA DEEN. ANy  
questions????????????????????????????????????????????????

"They  doubt the usefulness of all the callers to God." Suntou.

They are wary  of clueless lunatics like you.

"They also tell us that the problem of  the world today is extremism and 
religious intolerance."  Suntou.

What do you think? Don't rely on others' thinking. Think for  yourself so you 
would not be an good slave for a desiring master some  day.

"Who will question that statement?" Suntou.

Maybe because  the history of all wars and violence is rooted in Religious or 
ethnic  intolerance. Only Lunatics will question the evident.

"No one will."  Suntou.

This doesn't tell me you are rehabilitated yet. Carry  on.

"But what they forget to tell us is that any extremism is bad and  evil not 
just religious extremism." Suntou.

Very good!!! Yes not  just religious extremism. Ethnic extremism, Alcoholic 
extremism, extremism  in indulgence, Extremism in poverty, lethargy, 
stupidity, 
idiocy, sex,  drugs, halucinogens, cakes, candy, shoes, you get the idea. 
Good. So you  agree that extremism and intolerance are bad. NOT GOOT.

"All religions   call to moderation." Suntou.

Very good again. The lunatic however  confuses dawah with crusade and 
persecution.

"It is true that there  are different religious groups and each believing it 
is on the right  path."  Suntou.

Hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"But  so is democracy." Suntou.

When folk believed him the first time, he  told them he saw another moon. So 
there are different democratic groups  and each believing it is on the right 
path. Allahu Akbar!!!! A'Outhou  billah minal majnoon.

"Democracy has many models."  Suntou.

Hah????

"It is not just one big idea on a horizontal  line where every thing is 
equal." Suntou.

Things on a horizontal  line may be on parallel planes. Are you familiar wih 
that concept of  planar geometry???

"Each country models its unique type of democracy."  Suntou.

No baby! Each country is at a different station in the journey  toward 
democracy. I knew folk like you should not be introduced to  Democracy. Read 
Haruna, 
Hon. Hamat, and Mahmood Ahmadinejad again.  Please.

"Do we have any problem with that?" Suntou.

Why would  you have a problem with that?

"We even have monarchy in democratic  countries, how unjust can that get?" 
Suntou.

You mean in countries  on the journey toward Democracy, don't you?

"The callers to God give  people an option." Suntou.

How can you call people to your God when you  do not know your God and you do 
not know where he/she  is???????????????????

"The important thing is for people to be free to  choose which faith group to 
follow if they so wish or remain faithless if  that’s what they want." 
Suntou.

LAKUM DEENIKUM WALYA DEEN. Now you  understand I guess. You see, when you're 
a lunatic, you take a convoluted  and twisted route to get to the point where 
a straighter path leads to.  And you will find sane people there. Yeah, the 
ones you started the  journey with yesterday.

"The way we sit down and find out about our  life should be the same way we 
analyse the choices available in religion  as well." Suntou.

God forbid you try to give somebody advice. I feel  sorry for the ones who 
receive advice from you before your rehabilitation.  You're liable to lead 
them 
to a ditch at the apex of the  cul-de-sac.

"Callers to religion are no different from the callers to  democracy; free 
speech, human rights, animal rights etc."  Suntou.

You think Islam believes in Free Speech? You will burn in hell  if you think 
that.
You think Islam believes in human rights? You will  burn in hell again if you 
do.
You think Islam believes in Animal  rights? You are so clueless, you're 
liable to fuck around and kill  yourself.

"The callers to a particular faith group mostly state why  that religion or 
faith is the best." Suntou.

So you think your  religion is the best. The Christian thinks his religion is 
the best. The  Mormon thinks his is the best. The adventist thinks his is the 
best. The  Hinduja think theirs is the best. The animists think theirs is the 
best.  When you are all stranded on a desert Island, What will keep you from  
killing each other? DEMOCRACY. You idiot.

"Just like how some  countries keep reminding other countries why they should 
adopt democracy  and be friend with them." Suntou.

You are confusing Democracy with  empire and Alliance. Think you goon.

"Islam is based on an idea of  submission to the will of the only one true 
God." Suntou.
Christianity  is based on an idea of Submission to the will of the only one 
true  Lord.
Buddaism is based on an idea of Submission to the will of the only  one true 
Buddha.
And what about the other religions you  idiot?

"Much has been said about how Muslims in the past used to force  people to 
accept Islam." Suntou.

We are not interested in how  muslings forced people to accept Islam in the 
past. We will make sure they  can't do that again if they did that. I think 
you're confusing crusades of  greed and intolerance with Religion.

"The big fallacy in that  perception is that no one can force any one to 
submit his will to the will  of God." Suntou.

He creates a false thesis, and he corrects the  fallacy. Now he thinks he is 
trained on propriety.

"No one can do  that." Suntou.

Not while I am alive. Your best bet is if the good lord  takes me away. Even 
then, I don't think other honest ande conscientious  folk will allow you to 
do 
that.

"The choice for any human being to  accept following the one true God by 
submitting his/her will to God can  never be done by force." Suntou.

Code for "Islam is the one true  religion". The idiot doesn't know we are 
onto him.

"The word Islam  can also mean SURRENDER, SUBMISSIOM, and OBEDIENCE."

See whata  mean?????????

"These acts must be done with sincerity, peace of mind,  and free will." 
Suntou.

Oh brother. How confused can one  get?

"The acts of obeying God is to believe that God is the only  supreme being 
worthy of obeying in totality, without any questions."  Suntou.

So you don't believe in Freedom of expression for Islam then.  "Without any 
question". I knew you were headed no-where when you feigned  your religion 
believes in freedoms and tolerance. The sad thing is that  Islam actually 
believes 
in those things but you do not know that. Because  you arfe not Eemaan.

"The word Islam is usually referred to as peace.  But the Arabic word peace 
means salaam not Islam." Suntou.

Suntou,  do you know the difference between nouns, verbs, and adjectives? I 
think  you're doing Islam an injustice for your cluelessness.

"Islam  appropriately means PEACE THAT ONE HAS INSIDE HIM THROUGH HIS 
RELATION  WITH ALLAH." Suntou.

So the peace in Salaam is outside of the man  without his relation with 
Allah??? Allahu Akbar!

"A Muslim is  someone who is practicing Islam. Islam just like democracy 
implores on  believers to avoid blood shed and tyranny and to respect human 
rights."  Suntou.

What an absolute waste of time and value-life. So Islam is  good. And 
Democracy is good.

"It also advises the wealthy to look  after the poor." Suntou.
EEtaa'U Zzakaat. Democracy does not advise looking  after the poor. Democracy 
is trained on mitigating poverty. One nurtures  poverty and encourages 
disparity, the other aims for a more equitable  distribution of wealth. Which 
do you 
prefer since you're comparing Islam  to Democracy??????????????????????????? 
You might be beyond rehabilitation  and I don't know it yet. I wish Bourghibe 
will share with you the  difference between Salaam and Islam.

"It explains to human beings how  to attain salvation through the teachings 
in the final testament of God,  the Quran." Suntou.

Code for "You can only attain salvation by becoming  a muslim".

"How many Muslims today follow Islam as was the practice by  prophet of Islam 

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