I think we need to catch up with the EU when it comes to human rights, in
my opinion.
Kat
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From: Linda Walker [log in to unmask]
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 10:56:08 -0600
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: actually linda is right
There is no choice in these polygamy cults. If you are born in you
are denied an education, freedom of association, freedom to travel,
freedom to choose who to marry, freedom to decide not to bear a child
every year. You cannot imagine the horror of it. The children born in
TX have never seen the outside world and have only Warren Jeffs
indoctrination tapes to listen to. Have you noticed there were 400
children there and not any playground equipment. These kids have
never seen a crayon. And if you are born into this and indoctrinated
from birth you don't grow up and say ok I have choices because you
have no idea how to make a decision since you were never allowed to
do so and taught obedience to the MAN is your only path to heaven.
There is a worldwide effort to end polygamy because the UN has ruled
that it is an inherent violation of womens' and childrens' rights and
it is. Most countries have outlawed it even many with Muslim populations.
At 05:29 PM 4/10/2008, you wrote:
>Why does the govt need to be involved in who we chose to be with? As
>long as they are all consenting adults, and there is no coerican, no
>viloence, and no kids involved, why should the govt have a say?
>Marriage is a relationship mostly involving two people. If other
>people want to have more than one man, or more than one woman it
>seems to me that it's none of our business, if we try to regulate
>how many is too many, we slide down that slippery slope. Unless it's
>a situation like these darn sex cults.... i do not buy the straight
>only idea. at the san francisco zoo, i saw a penguin couple who are
>both male. That's right, these two male penguins are happier with
>each other, and together keep their igloo just like a male and
>female couple do.
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>----- Original Message ----
>From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 10:41:00 AM
>Subject: Re: actually linda is right
>
> can we ask the question of the government's right to
>restrict consenting adults from group marriage? after
>listening to that radio show i can see that some
>people see nothing wrong with it as long as children
>are not involved and do not think it is the
>government's bussiness.
> not my opinion, but and opinion help by at least
>some people.
> this question gets to the heart of the point i was
>making.
>
>--- ksalkin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Well I do see your point - but you can say that
> > every action generates
> > unexpected consequences, big or small. We can't
> > predict what will happen
> > for sure; we can only predict from our observations.
> >
> > But honestly, I don't see anything wrong with
> > same-sex marriages or civil
> > unions. They aren't hurting anyone.
> >
> >
> > Kat
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> > ken barber
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 11:04 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: actually linda is right
> >
> > i said nothing about you being liberal, i stated
> > that
> > unintended consequences happens with a lot of
> > legislation and that one had to look at what can
> > happen. i do not see that aS LIBERAL NOR
> > CONCERVATIVE.
> > i see it as causious. and again jumping before
> > looking
> > may end one up going off a cliff. i don't think i
> > tared anything.
> >
> > --- "Michael H. Collis" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm not debating you. I just asked two questions,
> > > and you seem to tar everything that comes in
> > > conflict with your ideas as liberal and therefore
> > > unamerican... Please answer my questions.
> > >
> > > ---- Original message ----
> > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:35:04 -0700
> > > >From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Subject: Re: actually linda is right
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >
> > > > i really don't want to debate gay rights again,
> > > but,
> > > >you leap without looking at what all the
> > > consequences
> > > >are and you do so at your own periel. there are
> > > always
> > > >consequences to every thing that is legislated
> > and
> > > >many times they are un-intended.
> > > >
> > > >--- "Michael H. Collis" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Okay. Ken, how about this? If a male
> > > transgendered
> > > >> himself into a female, then got married to a
> > > male,
> > > >> would that be okay? that's what happened to an
> > > >> online jewish friend. he met the person he
> > ended
> > > up
> > > >> marrying while the person was still male, A
> > year
> > > >> later the transgender process was complete and
> > > they
> > > >> got married. Then there are the
> > hermaphrodites.
> > > >> Granted, they make up a very small percentage
> > of
> > > the
> > > >> population, but they have both genders. what
> > are
> > > we
> > > >> to do with those people?
> > > >>
> > > >> ---- Original message ----
> > > >> >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:12:52 -0700
> > > >> >From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >> >Subject: Re: actually linda is right
> > > >> >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >> >
> > > >> >you would not remove the guard rails that are
> > at
> > > >> the
> > > >> >cliff edges at the grand canyon because of
> > what
> > > is
> > > >> >likely to happen.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >you don't ignore the slippery slope that is
> > > there
> > > >> >because it is prudent to look at what is
> > likely
> > > to
> > > >> >happen.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >nothing to do with morals; everything to do
> > with
> > > >> good
> > > >> >common sense.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >--- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> Hi Ken,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> You know the one thing I learned while I
> > was
> > > >> >> teaching in that
> > > >> >> Christian private school - is those people
> > are
> > > >> very
> > > >> >> sincere in their
> > > >> >> beliefs - and no I never mentioned I am
> > Pagan
> > > nor
> > > >> >> argued with one thing
> > > >> >> said. As I said I learned they honestly and
> > > >> >> sincerely believe what they
> > > >> >> believe. And so it is everyone - so why
> > would
> > > >> anyone
> > > >> >> think they would
> > > >> >> bring you around to their way of thinking -
> > we
> > > >> can
> > > >> >> never change anyone's
> > > >> >> mind - they have see beyond the horizon of
> > > their
> > > >> >> boundaries - a
> > > >> >> uncomfortable play to be.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I have no problem with gay marriages - if
> > > >> polygamy
> > > >> >> were a voluntary
> > > >> >> state - not a brainwasher slave state - I
> > > could
> > > >> >> perhaps see it but for
> > > >> >> the most part since we have no positive role
> > > >> models
> > > >> >> here - it's hard to
> > > >> >> make a judgement on it. I can see jealousy
> > > being
> > > >> a
> > > >> >> major factor in it
> > > >> >> not being successful. I really don't think
> > > anyone
> > > >> >> backs pedifiles. Of
> > > >> >> course you do have some laws for young
> > > marriages.
> > > >> I
> > > >> >> think the thing is
> > > >> >> view each item on its own merits and not
> > lump
> > > >> them
> > > >> >> together because it
> > > >> >> might lead down a slippery slope - blanket
> > > >> >> com=ndemning things - could
> > > >> >> be seen as going down a slippery slope also.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Oooops got to run.....
> >
> > > >> Trisha
> > > >> >> (who is taking her
> > > >> >> Mom shopping)
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> >> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> > > >> >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > Behalf
> > > >> >> Of ken barber
> > > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:36 PM
> > > >> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >> >> Subject: actually linda is right
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> actually linda is right on the fact that i
> > do
> > > not
> > > >> >> post
> > > >> >> much of controversy direct to the list as
> > much
> > > as
> > > >> i
> > > >> >> once did. i am following the advice that i
> > > give
> > > >> my
> > > >> >> son
> > > >> >> "choose your fights well and be sure they
> > are
> > > >> worth
> > > >> >> the efford you are going to have to put in
> > > them."
> > > >> i
> > > >> >> post many things to about 3 or 4 people who
> > > for
> > > >> the
> > > >> >> most part do not agreee with my opinions,
> > but
> >
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