Linda,
I've been reading this discussion and refraining from comment as I
think this going around in circles is getting us nowhere but pissed
off, but after this last note I have to respond.
You are making BROAD GENERALIZATIONS about large groups of people.
That is just not fair or appropriate. Think of it from a disability
perspective. Not every CPer is retarded or unable to walk or unable
to speak clearly. Yes, the media often portrays disability at its
extremes and plays the pity card, but the disability community as a
whole IS NOT THAT WAY. Same is true for the broad strokes you are
painting. Not every (or even majority) of LDS commit incest! Does
it happen, yes. Do Catholics or Protestants or Jews do it
too...yes. Religion isn't the cause or predisposition to these
behaviors.
And as others have said, you need to back up your statements with
research and facts, not just media reports or hunches. Maybe I am
just too knee deep in my own research coursework and preparing for my
dissertation, but I really have no patience for people stating
something as fact that is totally unsupported and unproven. If you
want me or others to consider what you are saying, back up your
thoughts with REAL evidence.
Linda M.
On Nov 9, 2007, at 12:21 PM, Linda Walker wrote:
> Email is funky so don't know if these are getting through
>
> I never mentioned religion but if you want to know what I think
> that would cause a stir. DV does happen in some groups more than
> others. JW's are more likely to beat their kids than Episcopalians
> for instance. LDS are more likely to commit incest than many other
> groups. Brigham Young preached it was of God. Some religions stress
> spare the rod and blah blah blah and others stress peace and non
> violence towards all living things. Child abuse is the same - the
> more tightly wound the religious beleifs - the more violence and
> abuse, the more easy going attitude of live and let live and let's
> all just get along and meet in heaven and the less abuse and violence.
> It has to do partly with the belief system you are born into and
> partly with the ones you choose as an adult. The more authoritarian
> types choose authoritarian religions with strict ideas. That suits
> them. I've never been able to figure out how spanking furthers
> anything. And no I am not writing a thesis here I am simply
> expressing my ideas and I am not going to look for cites to prove
> my points. Anyone else on the list is free to express their ideas
> and look for cites if they so choose.
> I actually think non religious people are probably less violent
> especially if that irreligiousness comes from a well thought out
> opinion and not from sheer laziness of not bothering to figure out
> what you think.
>
> At 08:14 PM 11/8/2007, you wrote:
>> Are you saying that non-religious people are violent? I don't
>> think you
>> can say that as a generalization. I think it's faulty (and
>> dangerous)
>> to assume that DV would be more likely to happen in one socio-
>> economic
>> (or religious) group than another.
>>
>> I do agree that the demise of the nuclear family and the
>> subsequent lack
>> of a support system has facilitated DV.
>>
>> Kat
>>
>> Linda Walker wrote:
>> > No actually there is quite a bit of DV in higher income homes, even
>> > more covered up. I was responding to the earlier assertion that
>> rural
>> > communities do not have the same problems as urban communities
>> and per
>> > capita I think they do. I am not saying all rural people abuse
>> their
>> > kids but I am saying some do. I am saying it is faulty thinking to
>> > imagine the rural communities as less problematic or even idyllic
>> > because often they have big problems. Moses Lake residents used to
>> > meet the train with baseball bats in hand to stop the African
>> > Americans from debarking. Per capita the murder rate is much higher
>> > than urban areas. Many rural counties are all white for instance. I
>> > think that is a problem in a secular society.
>> >
>> > At 11:01 AM 11/8/2007, you wrote:
>> >> I assume she means that a higher rate of poverty increases the
>> >> likelihood
>> >> of domestic violence=2E It could have been better phrased=2E
>> >>
>> >> Kat
>> >>
>> >> Original Message:
>> >> -----------------
>> >> From: Cleveland, Kyle E=2E keclevel@FRANKLINCOUNTYOHIO=2EGOV
>> >> Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 07:56:22 -0500
>> >> To: C-PALSY@LISTSERV=2EICORS=2EORG
>> >> Subject: Re: email was not working on spanking
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Cerebral Palsy List [mailto:C-
>> PALSY@LISTSERV=2EICORS=2EORG] On
>> >> Behal=
>> >> f
>> >> Of Linda Walker
>> >> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2007 5:45 AM
>> >> To: C-PALSY@LISTSERV=2EICORS=2EORG
>> >> Subject: Re: email was not working on spanking
>> >>
>> >> >--- Linda Walker <lwalker@CHILDPRO=2EORG> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> I guarantee you a lot of
>> >> > > those East
>> >> > > European and Appalachian kids you went to school
>> >> > > with were being
>> >> > > brutalized at home=2E it is simply a well covered up
>> >> > > phenomenon=2E
>> >>
>> >> Where's your empirical evidence of this assertion=2E Seems
>> that you are
>> >> painting an entire community with broad brushstrokes=2E Isn't
>> this
>> >> bigotry=3F
>> >>
>> >> Kyle
>> >>
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