well kat, you might be right, if i were bush, i'd not
want to ask for a draft.
my  brother fully retired from the army in september.
i do not know how many years has to pass before
officers can't be called back. kyle would probably
know. i thought that even noncoms could be called back
for a number of years, but, i am not sure of that
either. 

--- kat <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Unfortunately, both men and women signed up to be in
> the armed forces 
> and both have to serve. The military makes no
> distinction in this case - 
> this is the way women's libbers wanted it back in
> the 1970s and 1980s 
> and this is what they got. Don't get me wrong, I'm a
> feminist myself.  
> If you volunteer to serve in the military, you had
> better be prepared to 
> go where the military sends you - that's the reality
> of it.
> 
> Also another thing is going on is that commissioned
> officers are being 
> called back into duty even after their official
> duties are over - they 
> can be called back at the DOD's whim, and they are
> even calling back 
> permanently disabled officers, too, those who would
> not ordinarily be 
> even  considered fit for active duty.  If you're a
> commissioned officer, 
> there's a clause in your contract that says you can
> be called back if 
> the need is there.  You're not totally out of
> service until you fully 
> retire.
> 
> Frankly, I think we need a draft - we are in a
> situation where our armed 
> forces are stretched so thin that reserved units are
> sent back over and 
> over and non-com tours of duty keep getting extended
> further and 
> further.  But I'm willing  to bet this is such a hot
> potato that Bush is 
> trying to defer it as long as possible so the next
> Administration gets 
> to deal with it and its consequences.
> 
> Kat
> 
> Linda Walker wrote:
> > I just think one parent should stay home it
> doesn't matter which sex I 
> > just think it is barbaric to send both parents to
> war especially for 
> > this type of action.
> >
> > At 06:24 PM 10/29/2007, you wrote:
> >> well linda, we never had the women joining as
> they do
> >> now. in precious wars usually a woman in the
> military
> >> was to be a care giver to the wounded, but, with
> >> "equal rights"....
> >>
> >> --- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > uniquely horrible in that it is an entirely
> >> > unnecessary war just my
> >> > opinion and it is more brutal because of the
> length
> >> > of time people
> >> > are serving and the fact that Bush will send
> two
> >> > parents in there
> >> > causing incredible worry to the families and
> >> > children. We never did
> >> > things like that before. I guess I just kinda
> hope
> >> > we've learned
> >> > something since the Spanish inquisition and
> it's
> >> > interesting that's
> >> > the one you mention since we have Abu Ghraib.
> >> > Everyone responds to trauma differently. My
> father
> >> > never raised his
> >> > voice or his hand against anyone and he is a
> war
> >> > hero so I am not of
> >> > course talking about everyone.
> >> > In the child abuse work I do, I see some highly
> >> > resilient people who
> >> > have good lives to people who are just
> destroyed by
> >> > the events even
> >> > to the point of taking their own life.  We will
> be
> >> > paying for this
> >> > war emotionally and socially for a couple of
> >> > generations. Of course
> >> > not everyone but some returning vets won't be
> able
> >> > to cope and they
> >> > will act out in violence towards themselves and
> >> > those closest to
> >> > them. It is well known there is a high
> incidence of
> >> > domestic violence
> >> > inside the services.
> >> > And it bugs me that we primarily report our
> soldiers
> >> > deaths but
> >> > seldom report the number of displaced Iraquis
> >> > because of our actions.
> >> > Anyhow this is taking away from the terrible
> >> > inhumane way that woman
> >> > was treated. We'll never know if she would have
> >> > lived with prompt tratement.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > At 04:40 PM 10/29/2007, you wrote:
> >> > >Linda, if your logic were to be applied across
> the
> >> > board, there wouldn't
> >> > >be any vets who could  go back to civilian
> lives
> >> > and get on with them.
> >> > >Remember that we have been in wars since this
> >> > country was founded and
> >> > >there is nothing new about the traumas of war
> (well
> >> > except for our
> >> > >capacity to quickly kill each other).  If you
> think
> >> > our brutality in
> >> > >Iraq is uniquely horrible, may I refer you to
> any
> >> > history of the Spanish
> >> > >Inquisition or the Roman Empire?  Violence,
> alas,
> >> > is nothing new.
> >> > >
> >> > >Having said that I do agree  with you that we
> don't
> >> > need to be in Iraq
> >> > >because we need to spend our money where it's
> >> > better put to use, and I
> >> > >think we have done very little good by
> invading
> >> > Iraq.
> >> > >
> >> > >Kat
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