I do quite agree with you there, Mag. If we can spend billions of
dollars for guns, why not spend millions for taking care of our vets?
Kat
Tamar Raine wrote:
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> that's very bad that they can't get counseling! stupid!
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:23:42 PM
> Subject: Re: disgusting behavior
>
> Many of the soldiers being deployed are at Schofield next to where I
> live. I feel like I live on a military base here. We rent units to
> soldiers and to private contractors who are also serving there. I
> have been dealing with their problems as they come home. I am sure I
> have talked to more of them than most American civilians. I have
> often talked to them about whether or not they are going to re enlist
> and other things. Believe me when I say these young men and women are
> coming back very distraught and destroyed and they cannot seek any
> psychological counseling without it negatively impacting their service record.
>
> At 01:42 PM 10/29/2007, you wrote:
>
>> Linda, I think your politics are showing. I don't believe this fellow=
>> was a veteran of any current conflict. The article referred to a 'brie=
>> f army stint'. I do believe the Guardian was trying to capitalize on=
>> his military service and subliminally link his military service to his=
>> crime without having to outright establish the connection--but that's=
>> typical of yellow journalism, both liberal and conservative. PTSD may=
>> tear a mind down, but it doesn't turn whole groups of vets into cold-he=
>> arted brutes. How many vets do you know? How many have you talked to=
>> about their experiences--or are you just repeating what you've been tol=
>> d by the proponents of a particular political agenda?
>> =20
>> War is brutal to soldier and civilian alike, but you can't make sweeping=
>> generalizations about post-bellum behavior. If your prediction were=
>> based in fact, we would have never recovered from the second World War.=
>> My father, who served in two conflicts, Korea and Vietnam, would have=
>> taken out his war-generated angst on his family, right? A retired US=
>> Marine Lieutenant Colonel, he is the kindest, most gentle man I've ever=
>> known. =20
>> =20
>> War is supposed to be brutal, violent. It is such an admission of failu=
>> re and is testimony to the true nature of humankind. The military is=
>> a blunt instrument--a hammer, where everything is a nail. But nobody=
>> wants war less than the best soldier.
>> =20
>> Three years is harsh? In most US states this would be conspiracy to man=
>> slaughter and would have received 10-15 with parole at 7. I highly doub=
>> t that castigation from his neighbors is going to enhance his contrition.
>> =20
>> Kyle Cleveland
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: Cerebral Palsy List on behalf of Linda Walker
>> Sent: Mon 10/29/2007 4:20 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: disgusting behavior
>>
>>
>>
>> War brutalizes people and so get ready for a crime wave like we have
>> never seen as these traumatized soldiers come home. Disgusting isn''t
>> strong enough.
>>
>> At 10:08 AM 10/29/2007, you wrote:
>>
>>> *Martin Wainw=3D
>>>
>>> Jail for ex-soldier who urinated on dying disabled woman=3D0A=3D0A*Mart=
>>>
>> in Wainw=3D
>>
>>> right=3D0ASaturday October 27, 2007=3D0AThe Guardian <http://www.guardi=
>>>
>> an .co.u=3D>k/>*=3D0A=3D0AA drunken former soldier who urinated on a
>> disabled neigh=
>> bour as =3D
>>
>>> she lay=3D0Adying after a fall in the street was jailed for three years=
>>>
>> yeste=3D
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>>> rday and=3D0Atold that he and his friends had shamed a town. Anthony=
>>>
>> Anderson=3D
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>>> , 27, and a=3D0Agroup of friends who filmed the humiliation of Christin=
>>>
>> e Laki=3D
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>>> nski on a=3D0Amobile phone, have been cold-shouldered in Hartlepool and=
>>>
>> turne=3D
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>>> d away from=3D0Ashops and neighbours' homes.=3D0A=3D0AThey were castiga=
>>>
>> ted by a j=3D
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>>> udge and police at a brief court hearing which=3D0Awas told that their=
>>>
>> "almos=3D
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>>> t unbelievable" behaviour had turned the lesson of=3D0Athe Good Samarit=
>>>
>> an on =3D
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>>> its head. Ms Lakinski, a 50-year-old bent by a spine=3D0Adeformity and=
>>>
>> bullie=3D
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>>> d for most of her life, had also been covered in shaving=3D0Afoam and=
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>> kicked =3D
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>>> to "make her wake up".=3D0A=3D0AArticle continues<http://www.guardian=
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>> continue>=3D0A------------=
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>> home and=3D
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>> mer Sim=3D
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>> b, was=3D
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>>> a 999 call finally made. Paramedics were unable=3D0Ato revive Ms Laki=
>>>
>> nski, b=3D
>>
>>> ut the call enabled police to trace one of the=3D0Agroup, Scott Clement=
>>>
>> , whic=3D
>>
>>> h led to Anderson's arrest at a local club within=3D0Ahours.=3D0A=3D0AH=
>>>
>> e admitted=3D
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>>> outraging public decency and apologised through his barrister at=3D0A=
>>>
>> Teessid=3D
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>>> e crown court for actions which he said he still could not explain.=3D0=
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>> A=3D0ATh=3D
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>>> e court heard that Ms Lakinski lived opposite a house in Raby Road whic=
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>>> Anderson shared with another man, who had been smoking cannabis and dri=
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>> nkin=3D
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>>> g=3D0Aheavily with him all afternoon. Anderson went out in shorts with=
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>>> l=3D0Around his waist when he saw Ms Lakinski slumped on the pavement.=
>>>
>> =3D0A=3D0AS=3D
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>>> ue Jacobs, prosecuting, said Anderson first kicked the helpless woman=
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>> and=3D
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>>> =3D0Awhen she groaned but failed to move or open her eyes, fetched a=
>>>
>> bowl of=3D
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>>> =3D0Awater and threw it over her. "Apparently urged on by the fact that=
>>>
>> Scott=3D
>>
>>> =3D0AClement and Simon Whitehead found this amusing, you then stated=
>>>
>> that you=3D
>>
>>> =3D0Awere going to urinate on her. Simon Whitehead cleared space on his=
>>>
>> mobil=3D
>>
>>> e=3D0Aand recorded Anderson urinating all over Christine's body." One=
>>>
>> of the =3D
>>
>>> group=3D0Ashouted: 'This is YouTube material.'"=3D0A=3D0AJudge Peter=
>>>
>> Fox, the rec=3D
>>
>>> order of Middlesbrough, told Anderson he had plumbed=3D0Athe depths of=
>>>
>> degrad=3D
>>
>>> ation and brought shame on the people of Hartlepool. He=3D0Asaid: "This=
>>>
>> court=3D
>>
>>> can do nothing to repair what you did, only pass a=3D0Asentence that=
>>>
>> is righ=3D
>>
>>> t in all the circumstances - three years imprisonment. "=3D0A=3D0AAnder=
>>>
>> son, une=3D
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>>> mployed after brief army service, has previous convictions for=3D0Aille=
>>>
>> gally =3D
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>>> importing cigarettes, obstructing a police officer and driving=3D0Aoffe=
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>> nces.=3D
>>
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>> /TamarMag*=3D
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>>> =3D0ATamar Mag [log in to unmask]
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>> Message ----=3D
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>>> =3D0AFrom: Kendall D. Corbett <[log in to unmask]>=3D0ATo: C-PAL=
>>>
>> SY@LISTS=3D
>>
>>> ERV.ICORS.ORG=3D0ASent: Monday, October 29, 2007 12:20:28 PM=3D0ASubjec=
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>> t: Re: s=3D
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>> insurance to=3D
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>>>
>> t your =3D
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>>> arms when Janet's doc=3D0Afirst mentioned this.=3D0A=3D0A=3D0AOn 10/27/=
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>> 07, ken barb=3D
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>>> er <[log in to unmask]> wrote:=3D0A>=3D0A> you know this might help=
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>> me. that i=3D
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>>> s what i have going=3D0A> on from my fingers to the neck from repetitiv=
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>>> ss.=3D0A> of course the government is blaming mine on cp,=3D0A> but,hop=
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>> efully i=3D
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>>> 'll win this last appeal.=3D0A>=3D0A> --=3D0A> Kendall=3D0A>=3D0A> An=
>>>
>> unreasonable ma=3D
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>>> n (but my wife says that's redundant!)=3D0A>=3D0A> The reasonable man=
>>>
>> adapts hi=3D
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>>> mself to the world; the unreasonable one=3D0A> persists in trying to=
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>> adapt th=3D
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>>> e world to himself. Therefore, all progress=3D0A> depends on the unreas=
>>>
>> onable=3D
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