Hi everyone, I know of a few people who like Voice Over.  The con of going
Mac is that you can't sync up your note takers or Trekker or anything like
that, but the person I know who uses Mac loves it, and has gone
exclucively Mac, even knowing that he can't sync anything up to it yet.





On Tue, 17 Jun 2008, Dean Hudson wrote:

> Hi Harry:
> You also have some very bad miss conceptions of the VoiceOver
> screenreader for the Mac.  Like Windows, there are menus, the Mac uses
> the Dock, which is somewhat like the start menu in that you can launch
> applications, open documents, and open folders.  You are correct that
> the Mac requires a couple of extra keys, but getting to UI items like
> Safari favorites is  only two key strokes.
>
> Most of what I'm hearing you write seems to be not from your own
> experience, but from other folks assessment of these screenreaders.
> You should understand that by writing to this email list, you need to
> be quite prepared about what you state.  Evaluating ScreenReaders is a
> very difficult task, and one needs to truly spend the time to really
> investigate each ScreenReader personally before giving a conclusion.
>
> My take from other posts you have written particularly regarding
> YouTube, seem unfounded, and not researched very well.  THis is why I
> am responding to your email.  Don't believe the hipe.  Investigate
> what you hear.  MoreOVerly, try to synthesize the information, and
> then give a report.  No one wants to be known as someone just bloging
> what they hear.
>   ,.,
> On Jun 17, 2008, at 4:29 PM, [log in to unmask] wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> > Well folks, this is from the Kim Komando show.
> > This is from Saturday, June 17th.
> >
> > Microsoft will let XP still be bought after June 30th, but, only if
> > it's bought on systems with 1 gig of ram or less, an 8 gig hard
> > drive or less, and a 1 gig processor or slower.  Any faster system
> > than this, will be a violation of Microsoft's rules, and the stores
> > won't sell them.
> >
> >
> > So folks, I began to think.  What will the computer user do?  Well,
> > as long as you have no programs or hardware that needs more than 1
> > gig of ram or a 1 gig processor to function, you're fine, but if it
> > does, you're up the creek.
> > So, what should computer users do?
> > There are 2 alternatives.
> > 1.  the mac
> > 2.  Linux
> > If you want to hear the battle of the operating systems, check out
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.acbradio.org/archives/mainmenu/mm332.mp3
> >
> >
> >
> > You can open it or save it and listen later on.
> > In my opinion and that's all it is folks, I hate Vista, cause there
> > are no menus so you have to type in what program you want, and if
> > you don't know?  well, tough junk.
> > There are no menus, like in xp.
> > For the mac, I think it's terrible, because also, no menus.
> > I'm looking at Linux, because it has menus, so the xp user would at
> > least be use to a menu system.
> > The problem with Linux is, I hate the synthasizer that was used in
> > the battle.
> > It sounds robotic, not human, like Tom, Daniel, or Kate or Paul in
> > Windows.
> > The good thing about Orcah, the screen reader for Linux, and that
> > is, scripts can be written for it, just like for jaws for windows.
> > also, bugs about the operating system can be fixed in days, or, by
> > the user, (if there savvy enough), in hours.
> > With Linux, all the software including the screen reader, are free.
> > So, are there any linux users out there?  Would love to hear from ya.
> > Another problem with the mac is, that it's a closed operating
> > system, with not many open aps.
> > The great thing with linux and windows is, the key strokes aren't
> > many, whereas with the mac, you have to press all kinds of key
> > strokes to get it to do what you want it to do.
> > The great thing with windows is, it's the system most folks use, but
> > it's weakness is, you can't install it yourself very easily.
> > What I like about Windows is, it has menus in xp, which is great.
> > What I like about Linux is, you can install it yourself, and it's
> > open source, and this means, anyone can write a program for it, or,
> > change something in the operating system so it benefits all of us.
> > Also, you can use shortcuts in Linux and windows which is very
> > important.
> > I will say, the voice in Lepard, is great, very humanlike.
> > I hate Safari though, there are too many commands.  Tons of
> > commands, just to get to favorites, and in windows, just hit 3 key
> > commands and you're there.
> > They all take too long to boot up, nobody was better than the other.
> > I don't like the fact that Linux says what the link is first, then
> > the word link, on web pages
> > Now Orcah has different synthasizers, so if there's one that's human
> > sounding, someone let us know and give us a link to where we can
> > hear it.
> > Linux and of course, Jaws, both say the word heading on a web page.
> > In linux and the mac, no forms mode like jaws and window eyes has,
> > and that's great!
> > With the mac, the software other than the screen reader costs money,
> > just look on the apple site, but with Linux, it's all free.
> > Now Pratic, who demoed the Mac, does have some comments on the
> > presentation, and he can come out here and tell yall where the page
> > is with his comments.
> > So folks, check out the battle of the operating systems and tell the
> > list what you think.
> > Harry
> >
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