well linda, we never had the women joining as they do
now. in precious wars usually a woman in the military
was to be a care giver to the wounded, but, with
"equal rights".... 

--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> uniquely horrible in that it is an entirely
> unnecessary war just my 
> opinion and it is more brutal because of the length
> of time people 
> are serving and the fact that Bush will send two
> parents in there 
> causing incredible worry to the families and
> children. We never did 
> things like that before. I guess I just kinda hope
> we've learned 
> something since the Spanish inquisition and it's
> interesting that's 
> the one you mention since we have Abu Ghraib.
> Everyone responds to trauma differently. My father
> never raised his 
> voice or his hand against anyone and he is a war
> hero so I am not of 
> course talking about everyone.
> In the child abuse work I do, I see some highly
> resilient people who 
> have good lives to people who are just destroyed by
> the events even 
> to the point of taking their own life.  We will be
> paying for this 
> war emotionally and socially for a couple of
> generations. Of course 
> not everyone but some returning vets won't be able
> to cope and they 
> will act out in violence towards themselves and
> those closest to 
> them. It is well known there is a high incidence of
> domestic violence 
> inside the services.
> And it bugs me that we primarily report our soldiers
> deaths but 
> seldom report the number of displaced Iraquis
> because of our actions.
> Anyhow this is taking away from the terrible
> inhumane way that woman 
> was treated. We'll never know if she would have
> lived with prompt tratement.
> 
> 
> At 04:40 PM 10/29/2007, you wrote:
> >Linda, if your logic were to be applied across the
> board, there wouldn't
> >be any vets who could  go back to civilian lives
> and get on with them.
> >Remember that we have been in wars since this
> country was founded and
> >there is nothing new about the traumas of war (well
> except for our
> >capacity to quickly kill each other).  If you think
> our brutality in
> >Iraq is uniquely horrible, may I refer you to any
> history of the Spanish
> >Inquisition or the Roman Empire?  Violence, alas,
> is nothing new.
> >
> >Having said that I do agree  with you that we don't
> need to be in Iraq
> >because we need to spend our money where it's
> better put to use, and I
> >think we have done very little good by invading
> Iraq.
> >
> >Kat
> >
> >Linda Walker wrote:
> > > Many of the soldiers being deployed are at
> Schofield next to where I
> > > live. I feel like I live on a military base
> here.  We rent units to
> > > soldiers and to private contractors who are also
> serving there. I have
> > > been dealing with their problems as they come
> home. I am sure I have
> > > talked to more of them than most American
> civilians. I have often
> > > talked to them about whether or not they are
> going to re enlist and
> > > other things. Believe me when I say these young
> men and women are
> > > coming back very distraught and destroyed and
> they cannot seek any
> > > psychological counseling without it negatively
> impacting their service
> > > record.
> > >
> > > At 01:42 PM 10/29/2007, you wrote:
> > >> Linda, I think your politics are showing.  I
> don't believe this fellow=
> > >>  was a veteran of any current conflict.  The
> article referred to a
> > >> 'brie=
> > >> f army stint'.  I do believe the Guardian was
> trying to capitalize on=
> > >>  his military service and subliminally link his
> military service to his=
> > >>  crime without having to outright establish the
> connection--but that's=
> > >>  typical of yellow journalism, both liberal and
> conservative.  PTSD may=
> > >>  tear a mind down, but it doesn't turn whole
> groups of vets into
> > >> cold-he=
> > >> arted brutes.  How many vets do you know?  How
> many have you talked to=
> > >>  about their experiences--or are you just
> repeating what you've been
> > >> tol=
> > >> d by the proponents of a particular political
> agenda?
> > >> =20
> > >> War is brutal to soldier and civilian alike,
> but you can't make
> > >> sweeping=
> > >>  generalizations about post-bellum behavior. 
> If your prediction were=
> > >>  based in fact, we would have never recovered
> from the second World
> > >> War.=
> > >>   My father, who served in two conflicts, Korea
> and Vietnam, would have=
> > >>  taken out his war-generated angst on his
> family, right?  A retired US=
> > >>  Marine Lieutenant Colonel, he is the kindest,
> most gentle man I've
> > >> ever=
> > >>  known. =20
> > >> =20
> > >> War is supposed to be brutal, violent.  It is
> such an admission of
> > >> failu=
> > >> re and is testimony to the true nature of
> humankind.  The military is=
> > >>  a blunt instrument--a hammer, where everything
> is a nail.  But nobody=
> > >>  wants war less than the best soldier.
> > >> =20
> > >> Three years is harsh?  In most US states this
> would be conspiracy to
> > >> man=
> >
> >
> > >> slaughter and would have received 10-15 with
> parole at 7.  I highly
> > >> doub=
> > >> t that castigation from his neighbors is going
> to enhance his
> > >> contrition.
> > >> =20
> > >> Kyle Cleveland
> > >>
> >
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