no one had more peace than cain and abel, linda. 

--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I am sorry I pushed your buttons. Of course any 
> criminal activity is only by a few and most 
> servicemen and women are good people. My father 
> was Air Force and a really good man. As he got 
> older what he did as a fighter pilot bothered him 
> more and more. He was an Ace. However we are 
> lowering the standards for people to go into the 
> service and giving convicted criminals the option 
> of serving jail time or entering the service. I 
> am not sure I can agree with this policy.
> And service people are taught to kill. This is 
> just not the training I want young people to be 
> having. I am more the peace corps type if we want 
> to truly help someone. I cannot agree that bombs 
> and esp cluster bombs which ought to be banned 
> help solve any problems. I remain extremely 
> distressed by what we are doing in Iraq and I 
> think time is proving me right. We cannot stop 
> terrorism by making more people hate us.
> We can stop it by rebuilding schools and 
> hospitals and we should not have bombed the 
> cultural heritage of that country or any country in
> the first place.
> I do think there are stats on domestic violence 
> rates related to war being higher. Trauma begets 
> more trauma. Peace begets more peace.
> 
> 
> At 11:12 AM 10/29/2007, you wrote:
> >Yes, it was because you can't make sweeping
> generalizations like that.  The
> >majority of our servicemen are decent people who
> hare moral standads - the
> >cases you are talking about only represent a tiny
> fraction of the total
> >armed froces.
> >
> >If you want to talk about brutality, talk about
> Hitler or Saddaam or the
> >Japanese in WWII or the Chinese during the
> Revolution.  I think we
> >Americans are not as bad as they are or were.
> >
> >Sorry but you really pushed my buttons with that
> generalization - it's
> >simply not true of the majority of the people who
> are serving ihn Iraq or
> >Afghanistan or wherever.
> >
> >Kat
> >
> >Original Message:
> >-----------------
> >From: Linda Walker [log in to unmask]
> >Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:56:52 -1000
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: disgusting behavior
> >
> >
> >I don't know if this is directed to me but I don't
> have time to do
> >that. My information is based on my own thinking
> and understanding of
> >the world. I know one Viet Vet who lived next door
> to me at USC
> >married student housing who was in Special Forces
> and blew his brains
> >out. The wife was told he could not live with what
> he had done. We
> >rent to returning soldiers here and they are a
> wreck. One drove off
> >the road and killed himself and others are
> alcoholics.
> >One female officer applied to rent and told me she
> couldn't wait to
> >get over there and kill someone. It was gross. My
> info is anecdotal.
> >
> >At 10:41 AM 10/29/2007, you wrote:
> > >Do you have statistics for crime waves after
> these wars:
> > >
> > >Civil War
> > >Spanish-American War
> > >WWI
> > >WWII
> > >Korean War
> > >Vietnam War
> > >
> > >Please give sources and/or links=2E
> > >
> > >Thanks!
> > >Kat
> > >
> > >Original Message:
> > >-----------------
> > >From: Linda Walker lwalker@CHILDPRO=2EORG
> > >Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 10:20:00 -1000
> > >To: C-PALSY@LISTSERV=2EICORS=2EORG
> > >Subject: Re: disgusting behavior
> > >
> > >
> > >War brutalizes people and so get ready for a
> crime wave like we have=20
> > >never seen as these traumatized soldiers come
> home=2E Disgusting isn''t=20=
> > >
> > >strong enough=2E
> > >
> > >At 10:08 AM 10/29/2007, you wrote:
> > > >*Martin Wainw=3D
> > > >
> > > >Jail for ex-soldier who urinated on dying
> disabled
> >woman=3D0A=3D0A*Martin=
> > >
> > >Wainw=3D
> > > >right=3D0ASaturday October 27, 2007=3D0AThe
> Guardian
> ><http://www=2Eguardi=>an
> > >=2Eco=2Eu=3D>k/>*=3D0A=3D0AA drunken former
> soldier who urinated on
> > >a disabled neighbo=
> > >ur as
> > >=3D
> > > >she lay=3D0Adying after a fall in the street
> was jailed for three years
> > >yeste=3D
> > > >rday and=3D0Atold that he and his friends had
> shamed a town=2E Anthony
> > >Anderson=3D
> > > >, 27, and a=3D0Agroup of friends who filmed the
> humiliation of Christine
> > >Laki=3D
> > > >nski on a=3D0Amobile phone, have been
> cold-shouldered in Hartlepool and
> > >turne=3D
> > > >d away from=3D0Ashops and neighbours'
> homes=2E=3D0A=3D0AThey were
> >castiga=
> > >ted by a
> > >j=3D
> > > >udge and police at a brief court hearing
> which=3D0Awas told that their
> > >"almos=3D
> > > >t unbelievable" behaviour had turned the lesson
> of=3D0Athe Good
> >Samaritan=
> > >  on
> > >=3D
> > > >its head=2E Ms Lakinski, a 50-year-old bent by
> a spine=3D0Adeformity and
> > >bullie=3D
> > > >d for most of her life, had also been covered
> in shaving=3D0Afoam and
> >kic=
> > >ked
> > >=3D
> > > >to "make her wake up"=2E=3D0A=3D0AArticle
>
>continues<http://www=2Eguardian=>=2Eco=2Euk/cr=3D>ime/
> 
> >article/0, ,2200320, 00=2Ehtml#article=5F
> > >continue>=3D0A------------=
> > >
> > >-------=3D
> > > >-- ---------=3D0A------------ ---------
> ---------=3D0ADuring the episode
> >=
> > >in
> > >Jul=3D
> > > >y, which lasted almost half an hour, none of
> the=3D0Agroup called an
> > >ambulanc=3D
> > > >e to help Ms Lakinski, who had collapsed
> while=3D0Acarrying shopping
> >home=
> > >
> > >and=3D
> > > >  hit her head=2E Only 20 minutes later,
> when=3D0AAnderson, the
> >phone-fil=
> > >mer
> > >Sim=3D
> > > >on Whitehead and several others had dressed
> to=3D0Ago out to a
> >nightclub,=
> > >
> > >was=3D
> > > >  a 999 call finally made=2E Paramedics were
> unable=3D0Ato revive Ms
> >Laki=
> > >nski,
> > >b=3D
> > > >ut the call enabled police to trace one of
> the=3D0Agroup, Scott Clement,
> > >whic=3D
> > > >h led to Anderson's arrest at a local club
> >within=3D0Ahours=2E=3D0A=3D0AH=
> > >e
> > >admitted=3D
> > > >  outraging public decency and apologised
> through 
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