Phil,

You're talking to someone with whom you have almost full agreement here, so 
no need to labour - but perhaps I asked for it.

I too object to charging for the Gospel anything over and above what it 
really costs to produce an item, and even then I'd sooner give it away. 
Certainly in my days of full-time Christian work I wouldn't have wanted to 
charge a penny regardless.

No, I don't always agree with Joyce, and I do see some of her "big ego" 
creeping in.  Of course He can and may well cut it down at any time He 
chooses, but that is for Him to do and not for me!  <Smile>

--
Carol
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: Joyce Myers


> Carol,
>
> I think the favorible things I mentioned about Joyce speaks for itself. 
> It
> still stands that people don't need to by her tapes to be successful and I
> probably own more of her tapes than anyone on this list.  I just think she
> accidently talked herself into a corner on this one is all.  If she can't
> accept criticism, she shouldn't be in the ministry.  I've heard Joyce say
> some incredibly boastful things about how she has made it in the ministry 
> in
> spite of what others said about her.  Ego is ego no matter how big of
> ministry you think you have.  God can remove anybodyd from where they 
> think
> they are in a second.  Regardless, I admire Joyce greatly and always have.
> She was a smoker when she first started teaching the Bible.  She has had
> breast cancer and a mastectomy and has publicly taught on it relating to 
> why
> she wasn't healed when she has prayed for many other women were were. 
> That
> takes brass.  She was also suicidal back then so, yes, she knows a lot 
> about
> what it is like.  I have way more good to say about Joyce than bad but you
> know as well as I do that buying Joyce's tapes isn't the answer to 
> financial
> problems or anything else.  By the way, when I traveled and preached
> meetings in churches, I never sold my tapes.  I told people what they cost
> me and if they could pay that, fine.  If they couldn't, I told them just 
> to
> come and tell me and they could have whatever they wanted.  I won't market
> the Gospel no matter how much money I have, or don't have.  I know how 
> much
> tapes cost, I know what is involved in high speed duplicating them, and 
> how
> much labor is involved in producing them.  When you buy in bulk and when 
> you
> mass produce, if you spend 50 cents a tape, you are spending too much. 
> You
> don't have to agree with everything someone famous teaches to be blessed. 
> I
> have been blessed by Joyce's teaching hundreds of times.  What she taught
> the other day, even if she tried to make it sound funny, was 
> irresponsible.
> That doesn't mean we shouldn't listen to her and it doesn't mean she is a
> heretic but it does mean we should be discerning no matter who is 
> teaching.
> That's all I meant.  I have had people question what I believe all my 
> life.
> Nobody has to agree with me except when it comes to being born again.
> Otherwise, I could care less if people agree with me or not.  I don't
> believe, however, I have to be considered successful by the Lord by making
> millions and preaching to 20,000 people in an auditorium all at the same
> time.  Those are not the qualifications for success as far as God is
> concerned.
>
> Phil.