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Joy Liebeskind <[log in to unmask]>
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THERE IS A VERY THIN LINE BETWEEN THIS & THE ASHLEY X CASE. THE 
ATTITUDE IS STILL THERE AS TO AN Y ONE PERSONS VALUE.   IN A CHILD WITH 
A DIAPER CARE WHEN THEY HAVE A PERIOD IS NO BIG THING! JUST A LAZY 
CARE-TAKER! WHO WILL DECIDE WHO THIS IS OK FOR & WHO NOT? LOOK AT MANY 
ADULTS WHOSE PARENTS PUT THEM IN INSTITUTIONS MANY YEARS AGO WHO AS 
THEY HAVE BEEN CLOSED HAVE COME OUT & ARE LIVING IN THE COMMUNITIES 
NOW?   THIS IS A VERY SORE TOPIC- I FIND THE Ashley X case sickening- 
look at little hints as to that families attitude- they hide the faces 
of siblings, but not hers! They wanted to keep her small for their 
benefit- not hers. Do away with all hormones & you get weak bones, 
heart issues- and many other problems.    I'm not sure this can be 
discussed without emotions--  Joy

On Oct 8, 2007, at 5:57 PM, Kendall D. Corbett wrote:

> Kristina,
>
> What is troubling to me (and many others, I'm sure) is the "slippery 
> slope"
> argument surrounding sterilization for someone with a disability.  If a
> person who is as severely disabled as the girl in the UK is sterilized,
> where is the line drawn for others with disabilities?
>
> I don't see this one as being as scary as the "Ashley X" situation in 
> the
> US, where "Ashley's" parents also had her breast buds removed, and 
> other
> growth attenuation procedures performed, but it does make me wonder 
> where
> the line will finally be drawn.
>
> Several states performed involuntary sterilizations of people with
> disabilities, including the state where my mother (and later my wife) 
> grew
> up.  When my mom was going through nurses training, she worked at the
> "Hospital School," where children with severe disabilities were 
> educated and
> provided health care services.  My wife was later a student there for a
> little bit when she was in grade school, since in the mid 60's, many 
> small
> towns in that state didn't have access to the needed services for kids 
> with
> disabilities locally.  Since my wife wasn't a "permanent" resident at 
> the
> school, and her parents would  never have consented, it wasn't an 
> issue for
> her,  But even in the 50's and 60's there were families who felt they
> couldn't adequately meet the needs of their child with a disability.  
> In
> these cases the children became "wards of the state," so that they 
> could
> meet the financial requirements to receive state services.  It's 
> families in
> these circumstances that I worry about.  In Wyoming, and other states, 
> there
> is presently a "push" to re-open or re-populate institutions for 
> people with
> disabilities.  This push is based on the perceived "need" to keep 
> people who
> work at these institutions employed, and a thinly veiled attempt to 
> provide
> people with disabilities and their families another "choice" of service
> provision.
>
> I realize that this must be an agonizing decision for parents of 
> children
> with disabilities, but feel that in all cases, we should err on the 
> side of
> the least permanent option possible.
>
>
> On 10/8/07, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> I had a hysterectomy and the doctor said she might take my apendix 
>> (but
>> did
>> not)  Just to avoid it if it latter had problems... I was OK
>> with  that.  It
>> is not something you can't live without and it may save surgery  
>> later.
>>
>> As to the hyster for the girl.  I am all for it. But the mother can
>> do  meds
>> to stop period.  But I have been on the shot and it made me sick... 
>> so  I
>> say
>> go with pills.  But I can understand wanting it stopped by  
>> hysterectomy.
>> That way when the mother dies in years to come at least the  girl 
>> can't
>> end up
>> pregant in a care home somewhere.  Which is what I worry  about with 
>> my
>> own
>> girl... who is very pertty.   SO I REALLY worry.. no  that some sick 
>> man
>> would
>> care if they are pertty.  Here in the US we hear  about someone being 
>> in a
>> coma
>> or something and having a baby about every  year.... just think how 
>> many
>> we do
>> not hear about.
>>
>> Plus.... I work in a hospital and see older family members come to our
>> department with diaper soaked and all over the bed.... at least 
>> without
>> the  period
>> it would not add to the mess.
>>
>> Just my thoughts.
>> kristina
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> -- 
>
>
> Kendall
>
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
>
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all 
> progress
> depends on the unreasonable man.
>
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
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Joy C Liebeskind
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