i am not sure it sould be discussed without emotion.
--- Joy Liebeskind <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> THERE IS A VERY THIN LINE BETWEEN THIS & THE ASHLEY
> X CASE. THE
> ATTITUDE IS STILL THERE AS TO AN Y ONE PERSONS
> VALUE. IN A CHILD WITH
> A DIAPER CARE WHEN THEY HAVE A PERIOD IS NO BIG
> THING! JUST A LAZY
> CARE-TAKER! WHO WILL DECIDE WHO THIS IS OK FOR & WHO
> NOT? LOOK AT MANY
> ADULTS WHOSE PARENTS PUT THEM IN INSTITUTIONS MANY
> YEARS AGO WHO AS
> THEY HAVE BEEN CLOSED HAVE COME OUT & ARE LIVING IN
> THE COMMUNITIES
> NOW? THIS IS A VERY SORE TOPIC- I FIND THE Ashley
> X case sickening-
> look at little hints as to that families attitude-
> they hide the faces
> of siblings, but not hers! They wanted to keep her
> small for their
> benefit- not hers. Do away with all hormones & you
> get weak bones,
> heart issues- and many other problems. I'm not
> sure this can be
> discussed without emotions-- Joy
>
> On Oct 8, 2007, at 5:57 PM, Kendall D. Corbett
> wrote:
>
> > Kristina,
> >
> > What is troubling to me (and many others, I'm
> sure) is the "slippery
> > slope"
> > argument surrounding sterilization for someone
> with a disability. If a
> > person who is as severely disabled as the girl in
> the UK is sterilized,
> > where is the line drawn for others with
> disabilities?
> >
> > I don't see this one as being as scary as the
> "Ashley X" situation in
> > the
> > US, where "Ashley's" parents also had her breast
> buds removed, and
> > other
> > growth attenuation procedures performed, but it
> does make me wonder
> > where
> > the line will finally be drawn.
> >
> > Several states performed involuntary
> sterilizations of people with
> > disabilities, including the state where my mother
> (and later my wife)
> > grew
> > up. When my mom was going through nurses
> training, she worked at the
> > "Hospital School," where children with severe
> disabilities were
> > educated and
> > provided health care services. My wife was later
> a student there for a
> > little bit when she was in grade school, since in
> the mid 60's, many
> > small
> > towns in that state didn't have access to the
> needed services for kids
> > with
> > disabilities locally. Since my wife wasn't a
> "permanent" resident at
> > the
> > school, and her parents would never have
> consented, it wasn't an
> > issue for
> > her, But even in the 50's and 60's there were
> families who felt they
> > couldn't adequately meet the needs of their child
> with a disability.
> > In
> > these cases the children became "wards of the
> state," so that they
> > could
> > meet the financial requirements to receive state
> services. It's
> > families in
> > these circumstances that I worry about. In
> Wyoming, and other states,
> > there
> > is presently a "push" to re-open or re-populate
> institutions for
> > people with
> > disabilities. This push is based on the perceived
> "need" to keep
> > people who
> > work at these institutions employed, and a thinly
> veiled attempt to
> > provide
> > people with disabilities and their families
> another "choice" of service
> > provision.
> >
> > I realize that this must be an agonizing decision
> for parents of
> > children
> > with disabilities, but feel that in all cases, we
> should err on the
> > side of
> > the least permanent option possible.
> >
> >
> > On 10/8/07, [log in to unmask]
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >> I had a hysterectomy and the doctor said she
> might take my apendix
> >> (but
> >> did
> >> not) Just to avoid it if it latter had
> problems... I was OK
> >> with that. It
> >> is not something you can't live without and it
> may save surgery
> >> later.
> >>
> >> As to the hyster for the girl. I am all for it.
> But the mother can
> >> do meds
> >> to stop period. But I have been on the shot and
> it made me sick...
> >> so I
> >> say
> >> go with pills. But I can understand wanting it
> stopped by
> >> hysterectomy.
> >> That way when the mother dies in years to come at
> least the girl
> >> can't
> >> end up
> >> pregant in a care home somewhere. Which is what
> I worry about with
> >> my
> >> own
> >> girl... who is very pertty. SO I REALLY worry..
> no that some sick
> >> man
> >> would
> >> care if they are pertty. Here in the US we hear
> about someone being
> >> in a
> >> coma
> >> or something and having a baby about every
> year.... just think how
> >> many
> >> we do
> >> not hear about.
> >>
> >> Plus.... I work in a hospital and see older
> family members come to our
> >> department with diaper soaked and all over the
> bed.... at least
> >> without
> >> the period
> >> it would not add to the mess.
> >>
> >> Just my thoughts.
> >> kristina
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Kendall
> >
> > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
> >
> > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
> the unreasonable one
> > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> Therefore, all
> > progress
> > depends on the unreasonable man.
> >
> > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> >
>
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