Haruna wrote:
Haruna wrote:
"I understand how you or another can read greed into it. Trust me when I first heard Hillary wishes to have Florida and Michigan delegates be seated and
counted, I looked at the rationale behind it. I came to find out the Obama-heads wished to disenfranchise her delegates from those states and whip up a groundswell of chatter about the undemocratic nature of superdelegates. The two
are astute lawyers and they have lawyers managing their campaigns. There is a
subtle trick in lawyering and I will explain later."
Not so fast my friend. How did you arrive at the conclusion that Obama heads are trying to disenfranchise delegates from the two states? The Democratic National Committee with the approval of both campaigns laid down their rules. Michigan and Florida broke the rules. Your solution? Rules don't matter as long as your candidate benefits from breaking those rules.
Granted, Michigan and Florida are particularly important states in the general election, but their party leadership screwed the states by breaking DNC rules. So the states -- who could've been influential in the regular calendar -- held potemkin contests and are now nothing more than pawns in the Clintontonista's efforts to gain an unfair advantage. So what to do? Well it is not easy, but for the sake of the party, I think they should split the delegates from Michigan and Florida 50/50. Give Clinton half the delegates, Obama the other half. The states get representation at the convention, but we don't have to change the rules of the game mid-contest in a way that impacts the race unfairly.
Sure, the Clinton partisans wouldn't like it, but if the issue is enfranchising those state's Democrats, this is the fair way to do it.
Remember, those states didn't have real contests. Many Democrats stayed home because their vote wasn't supposed to count. Seating the delegations based on the delegates Clinton won isn't representative of the state's will. If we can't have a new contest to determine the real apportionment of the delegates, then let's simply seat them, but in a way that they don't impact the race.
Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Mo,
How are you again? Good to see you.
I understand how you or another can read greed into it. Trust me when I
first heard Hillary wishes to have Florida and Michigan delegates be seated and
counted, I looked at the rationale behind it. I came to find out the
Obama-heads wished to disenfranchise her delegates from those states and whip up a
groundswell of chatter about the undemocratic nature of superdelegates. The two
are astute lawyers and they have lawyers managing their campaigns. There is a
subtle trick in lawyering and I will explain later.
Now the Obama-heads like Ousman had counted on momentum from Obama's series
of potomac wins and serial-endorsers to maintain a lead over Hillary and dam
pen any hopes of Texas, Pennsylvania, Ohio, etc. yielding the comeback kid.
Like Husband, like wife. And if that held true, then they wish to attack the
conscience of superdelegates. They are not really worried about the undemocratic
nature of the superdelegates so much as affecting the latter's conscience in
their favour. The superdelegate structure has been there for decades without
challenge as my friend Erskine Bowles would testify. To hedge against this
bet, Hillary argues that she wishes the Florida and Michigan delegates be
included. Publicly, Hillary's camp had been silent on the superdelegates matter
but they have been campaigning as if the structure is immune to revamp at this
late hour. That is where I derived the implicit argument of Hillary that she
wishes the superdelegate structure remain intact. I have sent my own
comments to the DNC.
Now the two candidates are playing the trick of ask for a pound and should
you receive an ounce, you will remain victorious. Neither of the candidates are
terribly interested in the fortunes of the Democratic party at large at this
point. They are both understandably selfish for now. The matter will come to
haunt them when either faces John McCain. All of a sudden, John McCain
appears pleasing. Unless of course the matter of Clinton V Obama is settled prior
to the convention which is what I think will happen so they can go into the
convention unified and stronger against the Republicans.
Modou, I like you a lot that is why I shared some proprietary information
here au gratis.
Masoud. MQJGDT. Darbo. AL Mu'Umin.
In a message dated 2/15/2008 10:54:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Haruna,
I think Hillary Clinton's argument is that superdelegates should remain AND
that Florida and Michigan delegates should be seated. Please review her
statements on both issues...
Full Disclosure: I am also a hopemonger :-)
best,
Modou
Haruna Darbo wrote: It is agreed that the agreement
adopted by the democratic party to discount
Michigan and Florida delegates because their respective state parties
veered
from the primary and caucus schedules is UNDEMOCRATIC and it should not
have
been considered in the first place. However, it was considered and adopted
prior to campaigning and the decision should stand. Whatever affect it has
on
Democratic party fortunes for this year's presidential elections must be
absorbed and the party can reconsider the arrangement for the next
elections.
It is also agreed that the idea of super delegates determining the nominee
in the event of a tie or when neither candidate achieves the requisite
number
of primary and caucus delegates, is UNDEMOCRATIC. And it should not have
been
adopted by the democratic party in the first place. However, it was adopted
and all competitors for nomination knew and implicitly accepted that
arrangement prior to campaigning for the nomination, and the arrangement
should stand.
Whatever affect it has on Democratic party fortunes for this year's
presidential elections must be absorbed and the party can reconsider the
arrangement
for the next elections.
Fair is fair and quit whining yourselves to defeat Democrats. If the
Michigan and Florida delegates are to be counted, then the superdelegate
structure
must be squashed. Alternatively, if the superdelegate structure is to be
squashed, then the Florida and Michigan delegates must be counted. That is
what I
see to be the essence of Hillary Clinton's argument. It makes sense, it is
honourable, and it is fair.
Masoud. MQJGDT. Darbo. Al Mutawakkil.
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