am curious
what areas does hal shine in??
thanks
Hank
----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Kim Kline" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2007 8:13 PM
Subject: Re: I WAS BOUNCED FROM THE JAWS MAILING LIST!!!
> Hi.
>
> The fact that Window-Eyes has no scripting language is one of the reasons
> why they haven't eclipsed Freedom Scientific, because I certainly like
> what
> they've done with Microsoft Office much better that I like the JAWS works
> with it. However, you fall into the same fallacy that Howard does--you
> think your situation is representative of everyone elses. The truth is
> that JAWS can be customized without scripting if you want to use
> frames. In some respects I don't like them as well as hyperactive windows
> in Window-Eyes, but in other respects they can be more powerful. If you
> really want to run down a product, make sure that you understand exactly
> what the strengths and weaknesses of the product are, because I can tell
> you that each of these products have strengths and weaknesses.
>
> My one regret in all of this is that apparently some of you have had bad
> experiences with agencies that are supposed to recommend/obtain a suitable
> adaptive solution. Apparently from what I am reading here, there are some
> areas of the country that either don't have the latitude to choose from an
> array of products or are too lazy to take the time to figure out what it
> is
> that their consumers need and recommend appropriately. In New York, I
> have
> that latitude, and a number of things go into a recommendation. First, I
> look at the environment they are going into and weigh the strengths and
> weaknesses of the products involved, taking into account any technical
> conflicts that could be a problem. Second, I look at what the person
> receiving the software already knows and is comfortable with. If someone
> is comfortable with Window-Eyes, I'm not going to switch them to JAWS
> unless there is a compelling reason to do so. Finally, I talk to the
> people I work with to get their feedback on what they like or dislike. If
> other agencies/states aren't doing this, I'm sorry, but that really isn't
> a
> sufficient reason to bash the products involved.
>
> JAWS is superior for some purposes as I pointed out in my previous post,
> while Window-Eyes shines in other areas, and HAL is good in still other
> areas.
>
> I hope that the one thing you realize from all this if you haven't totally
> closed your mind to input from others is that there isn't a such thing as
> a
> "one size fits all" adaptive program. I'm sorry if agencies in your area
> have treated it that way because they've sold you short if they did.
>
> 73, de Lou K2LKK
>
> At 07:28 PM 1/23/2007 -0600, you wrote:
>>hmm, i have to disagree on the "nothing better than jaws" comment, have
>>you tried the others or are you just talking what your were forcefed by
>>the narrow-one-tracked mind agencies on that jaws is far supior and its
>>better than all the rest not that they would even have half a clue because
>>they don't get to buy it. I personally like windoweyes better than jaws
>>for the simple facts of better usability with msn or aim chat programs,
>>and you don't have to learn a whole version of the c programming language
>>to get something to work, if itr doesn't right out of the box, jaws
>>cursors anoy me to no end, being you have no apparently seperate hidden
>>cursor unlike the competition, and with jfw, i found myself having to
>>constantly remember to hit the jaws cursor to read anything and switch to
>>the other one to get the program to work right
>>there, thats my 2 cents worth, or is it one, i forget :p
>>hereafter, i will be ignoring this thread and some certain user on here
>>too..
>>
>>
>>On Tue, 23 Jan 2007, Bob Humbert wrote:
>>
>> > And your point is?
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Jim Johnson" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 9:24 AM
>> > Subject: Re: I WAS BOUNCED FROM THE JAWS MAILING LIST!!!
>> >
>> >
>> >> most of those lists are not owned by the company.
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Bob Humbert" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 12:20 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: I WAS BOUNCED FROM THE JAWS MAILING LIST!!!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> We need to form a "take down Freedom Scientific" list.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: "Bob Tinney" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >>> Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:26 PM
>> >>> Subject: Re: I WAS BOUNCED FROM THE JAWS MAILING LIST!!!
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Hi Anthony,
>> >>>> I guess you've joined the bounced club..I've been kicked off both
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> guiTalk list, and the PC audio list. I never was on the jaws list,
>> >>>> but
>> >>>> I
>> >>>> probably would have been kicked off that one too for expressing a
>> >>>> nonconformist opinion. Oh, well, I'll tread where I'm welcome and
>> >>>> avoid
>> >>>> those other places. I've got better things to do with my time and
>> >>>> energy!
>> >>>> This list is GREAT!
>> >>>> Bob, [log in to unmask], K8LR
>> >>>> Skype Name: bobtinn
>> >>>> Life is Full of Rewarding Challenges!
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