I'm sorry, Phil, I'm sure that this isn't quite the news you want to 
have.  Thank the Lord that your two sons are doing so well.  Just 
remember, where there is life there is hope.  Yah, like that's going 
to help the hurt!  I know.
Kathy



At 05:17 PM 12/16/2006, you wrote:
>To improve my mood, I learned today, although Gretchen doesn't know it yet,
>her unsaved boyfriend is giving her a promise ring.  You know, a ring before
>the next step of engagement.  Ain't life wonderful.  Merry Christmas.  The
>only thing that gives me hope is if Gretchen starts taking her kids to this
>church I mentioned.  That should get her attention, too, but I have learned,
>some of us just think we can do whatever we wish because God is too busy to
>bother keeping track of us.
>
>Phil.