CAROL
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Carol Pearson" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 6:11 AM
Subject: Re: wondering.
> Brad,
>
> I agree with your thoughts and take God's Word that "all tears will be
> wiped away" and that all that has gone before will be of no more concern
> to us.
>
> Yes, we'd like to think our loved ones were just watching over us but much
> better, surely, that God is watching over us!
>
> It is sometimes in my grieving that I sit down and a little thought
> crosses my mind, "Mum, Dad, I'd love you to know that . . .." Of course
> we would! But we are to be content with the fact that God knows!
>
> --
> Carol
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
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> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:36 PM
> Subject: Re: wondering.
>
>
>> Chapter and verse are for our benefit and so reading "through" the
>> beginning of Chapter 12, starting back in Chapter 11 we have...
>>
>>
>> By faith they passed through the Red Sea as by dry land, whereas the
>> Egyptians, attempting to do so, were drowned. By faith the walls of
>> Jericho fell down after they were encircled for seven days. By faith the
>> harlot Rahab did not perish with those who did not believe, when she had
>> received the spies with peace. And what more shall I say? For the time
>> would fail me to tell of Gideon and Barak and Samson and Jephthah, also
>> of David and Samuel and the prophets: who through faith subdued kingdoms,
>> worked righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
>> quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of
>> weakness were made strong, became valiant in battle, turned to flight the
>> armies of the aliens. Women received their dead raised to life again. And
>> others were tortured, not accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a
>> better resurrection. Still others had trial of mockings and scourgings,
>> yes, and of chains and imprisonment. They were stoned, they were sawn in
>> two, were tempted, were slain with the sword. They wandered about in
>> sheepskins and goatskins, being destitute, afflicted, tormented-- of whom
>> the world was not worthy. They wandered in deserts and mountains, in dens
>> and caves of the earth. And all these, having obtained a good testimony
>> through faith, did not receive the promise, God having provided something
>> better for us, that they should not be made perfect apart from us.
>> Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of
>> witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily
>> ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before
>> us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the
>> joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and
>> has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
>>
>> Seems to me a laundry list of examples of peoples trials and triumphs
>> were listed stating they did not receive the promise but God indeed
>> had something better in mind for us, and the "cloud of witnesses" is a
>> point of historical reference on which we can look upon knowing we,
>> although may endure hardship, will indeed receive the promise. Also note
>> the early list of events and how they all mention they had "faith", it
>> didn't say they were being comforted by the watchful eye of those who
>> earlier passed on. Faith I think we can safely presume is that in and
>> from God. To me taking those three words and stretching it to be
>> watchful eyes from above is unhealthy. If you notice the continuance
>> shows Jesus to be the focus of our faith and and not those who have gone
>> before us. I'd have to see supporting Scripture to see this. I think we
>> have to look at it from God's perspective as much as we possibly can. He
>> is our focus, our point of faith and comfort, our joy, our peace and not
>> those we loved in this world who have passed on. That doesn't mean we
>> stop looking on their memory as a loving thing, or that we don't find our
>> selves changed by them or that they stop living in our hearts, but I'm
>> not sure God would approve of them being a point of comfort, peace,
>> thinking they are watching over us in stead or along with him, or even
>> the thought they take part in our aid here? I'm sorry, I can not respect
>> that thought. It is nice to think, to help make our emotional
>> shortcomings easier to deal with, but that doesn't make it truth. I'd
>> like to see more Scripture reference on this please.
>>
>> Brad
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