Brad,
Don't forget, Red wine is actually good for the heart, the darker, 
the better.  That doesn't mean get drunk on it.  Over indulgence  in 
anything is forbidden.  There's that nasty little sin called 
gluttony, you know.  Unfortunately, most church goers don't think 
that that relates to food, but I actually heard of some research 
lately that points out that the evangelical population is the most 
overweight part of society.  I think that its a little hard to preach 
against drinking when your gut is hanging over your belt and you've 
had to have your brothers and sisters pray you through one heart 
bypass after another because you won't lay off the fatty foods and 
you won't get exercise.
Kathy



At 12:31 AM 11/26/2006, you wrote:
>I might as well toss in my bit on this one lol. There is nothing 
>inherently wrong with an alcoholic drink. There is however something 
>inherently wrong with an over indulgence to it where one is bagged. 
>Now, I, like Helen have seen my share of alcohol abuse in my family 
>alone and many of my dad's friends were as well, so I do understand 
>that fear of drink. However, having an alcoholic beverage does not 
>equate to being drunk. I think the many severe abuses of it today by 
>folks has got everyone jacked up to believe alcohol is automatically 
>bad. In fact it does have medical benefits, again, if not abused. 
>That would include not drinking constantly even if not bagged, one 
>needs to let wisdom prevail. If we are talking mind altering or 
>spirit weakening substances we need then to extend  it to coffee, 
>pain killers, cold medicines and anything else that causes 
>drowsiness or the opposite. And I understand yes, some folks 
>here  may not drink coffee either, I am not one of those, I like 
>bean juice and I'll probably always will. The decaffeinated stuff 
>just does not taste the same. Anyway. I think we need to keep it in 
>perspective. Wine, or beer or an alcoholic beverage  doesn't equate 
>being drunk, abuse of it is. I  analogize it to a gun. A gun isn't 
>inherently bad, or good. It is neither. It is however an extension 
>of one's heart that makes it either bad or good. So people are 
>afraid and they opt for ridding guns, when in fact it is the abusers 
>which ought be dealt with.
>
>Cheers, *smile*
>
>Brad
>
>
>on 08:03 PM 11/25/2006, John Schwery said:
>
>Kathy, I must agree with Helen on this one.  I know the bible 
>doesn't teach directly against drinking, but it definitely teaches 
>against drunkenness.  Where does one draw the line?  Myself, I 
>abstain, completely.  I believe the leadership of the early church 
>either drank very little or abstained because Paul told timothy to 
>drink a little bit for his stomachs sake, or medicinal purposes.  We 
>don't need alcohol for medicine, now.  And, I believe the alcohol 
>content of alcoholic beverages was far less in beverages then, than 
>what it is, now.  Plus, you have to realize that part of Helen's 
>disagreement comes from suffering, big time, from alcohol abuse from 
>those around her, for more years than she cares to think about.
>
>earlier, Helen Wolf, wrote:
>
>I strongly disagree with that statement, Kathy.  The main thing 
>wrong with beer is the alcohol.  Proverbs 25:28  He that hath no 
>rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and 
>without walls.   Alcohol takes control over a man's spirit, so that 
>he does not rule over it..........but is totally open to Satan, the 
>enemy of his soul, as the city of ancient times with its walls 
>broken down was open to its enemies.
>Helen
>
>Earlier Kathy wrote:
>Well, the main thing wrong with beer is the calories.  Kathy
>
>
>
>At 09:54 AM 11/25/2006, you wrote:
>If one goes the boycott route, where does one stop?  If I went far 
>enough, I wouldn't be able to buy groceries because the store sells beer.
>
>earlier, Vinny Samarco, wrote:
>
>right phil.
>Vinny
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>I doubt that boycotts work all that well anyhow.  Things like that probably
>help occasionally but I would bet if you could get a million Christians
>praying about something every day, we would reap a greater harvest.
>
>Phil.
>
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