As for Hades, it is my understanding that is the 
Greek word in Luke 16.  The great gulf, and the 2 
parts are in that passage, too.  No, I don't have 
my ducks in a row on this one.  It is how I 
remember it being explained.  If I were really 
ambitious, I could dig some stuff from some commentaries.

earlier, Helen Wolf, wrote:

>Do you have scriptures or other sources 
>concerning hell being hades, and it being 
>divided into 2 parts?  So then paradise is not 
>heaven?  And Jesus went to a holding place 
>called hades before ascending to the Father's right hand?
>How long did Abraham remain in that place?
>More questions than answers,
>Helen
>
>Earlier you wrote:
>
>>Actually, I believe the word for hell is hades, 
>>the place of departed spirits.  At that time 
>>Hades was divided into 2 parts, paradise and 
>>the other part, a hell-like part.  Between the 
>>2 parts, was the great gulf, mentioned in the 
>>passage.  If you will remember, in Luke 23, 
>>while on the cross, our Lord told the repentant 
>>thief, words to this effect, today, you will be with me in Paradise.
>>
>>earlier, Kathy Du Bois, wrote:
>>
>>>Thanks Helen, for posting
>>>As the text points out, the rich man could see 
>>>Abraham, who was in heaven, but he couldn't 
>>>see his brothers on earth.  Besides, the rich 
>>>man was, evidently, in hell.  they can see 
>>>something, maybe, but it doesn't mention that 
>>>Lazarus could see anything of his previous 
>>>life.  He was being comforted and Abraham 
>>>didn't want him disturbed with earthly 
>>>problems.  Plus, if we believe that eternity 
>>>begins, for us, when we die, the statements in 
>>>Revelation would take affect upon our 
>>>death.  We don't have to wait for the second 
>>>coming, the people who are still on earth do.
>>>Kathy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>At 03:57 PM 1/30/2007, you wrote:
>>>>Julie, here are the scriptures to which you refer:
>>>>
>>>>Luke 16:19 ¶  There was a certain rich man, 
>>>>which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day:
>>>>20  And there was a certain beggar named 
>>>>Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores,
>>>>21  And desiring to be fed with the crumbs 
>>>>which fell from the rich man’s table: 
>>>>moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.
>>>>22  And it came to pass, that the beggar 
>>>>died, and was carried by the angels into 
>>>>Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
>>>>23  And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in 
>>>>torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
>>>>24  And he cried and said, Father Abraham, 
>>>>have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he 
>>>>may dip the tip of his finger in water, and 
>>>>cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
>>>>25  But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou 
>>>>in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, 
>>>>and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he 
>>>>is comforted, and thou art tormented.
>>>>26  And beside all this, between us and you 
>>>>there is a great gulf fixed: so that they 
>>>>which would pass from hence to you cannot; 
>>>>neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
>>>>27  Then he said, I pray thee therefore, 
>>>>father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
>>>>28  For I have five brethren; that he may 
>>>>testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
>>>>29  Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses 
>>>>and the prophets; let them hear them.
>>>>30  And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if 
>>>>one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
>>>>31  And he said unto him, If they hear not 
>>>>Moses and the prophets, neither will they be 
>>>>persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
>>>>
>>>>Please notice that the rich man was not even 
>>>>on earth.  He was in hell.  Also notice in 
>>>>verse 26 where Abraham says there is a great 
>>>>gulf fixed between the rich man in hell, and 
>>>>Abraham and the beggar who had suffered 
>>>>partly because the rich man ignored his needs.
>>>>
>>>>My point is that the scripture account to 
>>>>which you referred is not concerning 
>>>>communication between heaven and earth.  My 
>>>>dear mother and father are in Heaven, and for 
>>>>all the years they have been gone, and in 
>>>>which I have missed them terribly, I wouldn't 
>>>>want them to know some of the suffering that 
>>>>I have endured or the sins I have committed 
>>>>since they have gone.  And I don't believe 
>>>>that they have known, else the suffering they 
>>>>endured in this life would not be 
>>>>ended.  Sorry, Julie, I just don't believe 
>>>>that those who have gone before are aware of 
>>>>what is going on here on the earth they left behind.
>>>>
>>>>In Jesus' Love,
>>>>Helen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Earlier you wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Helen,
>>>>>
>>>>>That's a good point.  However, the passage 
>>>>>in Revelation is talking about the New 
>>>>>Jerusalem on Earth after the second 
>>>>>coming.  At that time, there certainly will be no more sorrow or pain forever.
>>>>>
>>>>>In the gospels, though, Jesus talks about 
>>>>>the rich man and Lazerus being able to see 
>>>>>and even communicate with each other on a 
>>>>>limited basis, and that would seem to 
>>>>>support those in heaven currently being able 
>>>>>to glimpse those on Earth.  Just my opinion but backed up with Scripture.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>JulieMelton
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