beg to disagree, the great majority of those at gitmo
were captured on the battle field in afghanastan. 

--- Kendall David Corbett <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Linda and Ken,
> 
> German POW's in Iowa did the same thing.  I don't
> know how many, if any,
> were SS, but one of my mom's cousins ended up dating
> and marrying one of
> these POW's who worked on the family farm. 
> 
> The difference between the POW's at Guantanamo is
> that they were mostly
> people who had entered the US legally at some point,
> and if war had not
> been declared, would be subject to civil law for any
> crimes they might
> have committed.  If we say that US law doesn't apply
> to _suspected_
> criminals (of whatever type) who are not US citizens
> if their crimes
> occur on US soil, what's to prevent a foreign
> country (Iraq, etc.) from
> rounding up our citizens and preventing them from
> receiving due process?
> 
> 
> >and since we are having history lessons, heres some
> >more, at no time in our history has POW'S (and i do
> >not even know if these qualify as POW'S) had
> >constitutional rights. not a one of the 400,000
> german prisoners in the
> 
> >u.s. had hebius corpus, hell, no tiime in history
> have they had the 
> >rights that this group have been afforded.
> 
> 
> Kendall 
> 
> An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's
> redundant!)
> 
> The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the
> unreasonable one
> persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
> Therefore, all
> progress depends on the unreasonable man.
> 
> -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda Walker [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2006 11:16 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [C-PALSY] what happens if we leave iraq
> too quickly
> 
> Ken
> 
> I've read a few books on German POW's in America and
> in Utah they let 
> them out of camp to work in hospitals or on farms
> and these were SS. 
> They made many friends in Utah who later helped them
> come to the US. 
> During this time our government gave history lessons
> to these POW's 
> to help them learn about democracy. In Utah the
> citizens welcomed 
> them and no wonder it's the reddest state of all.
> The German SS 
> influenced public policy in Utah as many citizens
> got their blood 
> type tattooed under their left arm the same as the
> SS had done. Lots 
> of all together strange things happened.
> 
> At 10:23 PM 10/19/2006, you wrote:
> >not to forget all the history you left out abe
> lincoln
> >suspending it for the whole time of the southern
> war
> >for independance.
> >
> >now, can you name an instance in which bush has
> >suspended it for an american citizen? i dare say
> your
> >ansering email on this question will be rather
> short.
> >you may decorate it with many other things but the
> >answer to this question will be short.
> >
> >and since we are having history lessons, heres some
> >more, at no time in our history has POW'S (and i do
> >not even know if these qualify as POW'S) had
> >constitutional rights. not a one of the 400,000
> german
> >prisoners in the u.s. had hebius corpus, hell, no
> >tiime in history have they had the rights that this
> >group have been afforded.
> >
> >america valuing all people or not has not a thing
> to
> >do with the war on terror, but, i'll dare say this,
> >all of us with disabilities are better off in
> america
> >that we would be in any middle eastern country
> except
> >Isreal, and better off than we'd be in most of the
> >world. maybe a few places in europe could be
> better,
> >maybe not.
> >how'd you like to be a PWD in Iran? Hey Rayna, tell
> >mike how good you got it in PERTH. I'LL TAKE IT
> HERE
> >IN AMERICA. Thank you.
> >
> >
> >--- [log in to unmask] wrote:
> >
> > > Tell that to the German American of WW I, or the
> > > Japanese American of WW II.  I'm not talking
> about
> > > foreign terrorists, I'm talking about American
> > > Citizens whose only fault is they were descended
> > > from arabian people.  Don't say it can't happen.
> > > Just like don't say Amerrica values all people. 
> If
> > > it did, I would have a job now. instead of
> > > subsisting on SS.  I'm pretty well fed up with
> the
> > > conservative mantra, and liberal malarky both...
>  I
> > > say if you are ooncerned for me before I am
> born, be
> > > as concerned for me after.  Thanks to
> conservatives,
> > > Medicare is making it impossible for people like
> me
> > > to get meaningful mobility products which
> enhances
> > > life.   I know the constitution preamble, and I
> know
> > > what the founding fathers meant when they wrote
> it.
> > > That's why they needed the amendment to give
> blacks
> > > and womem the right to vote. Both were highly
> > > progressive causes in their day.  Tell me one
> thing,
> > > Ken.  Can you tell me any really good and
> lasting
> > > thing Conservatives have done in!
> > >  this country?  I don't mean along party
> lines...
> > >
> > > ---- Original message ----
> > > >Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 19:40:55 -0700
> > > >From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Subject: Re: what happens if we leave iraq too
> > > quickly
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >
> > > > And oh, btw,
> > > >> Habeus Corpus is now a thing of the past. 
> We'll
> > > all
> > > >> need to mind our P's and Q's now!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >do you support giving constitutional rights to
> > > >non-citizen terrorist mike? did you ever even
> learn
> > > >the preamble. it starts out "We the people of
> the
> > > >UNITED STATES..." Do you think the mastermind
> of
> > > the
> > > >9-11 attack deserves to have constitutional
> rights
> > > >confered on him?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >habeou corpus is a constitutional right to U.S.
> > > >Citizens.
> > > >
> > >
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