mike i do not know how to answer you questions.
LEGALLY i think the first one will fly. i do not know
what to do with the second. 
  i do hope this satifies. 

--- "Michael H. Collis" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I GIVE UP!!!  I asked two questions that I wanted
> answers to and all I got back was debate... Ken,
> you'd make a fine politico.
> 
> ---- Original message ----
> >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 20:03:53 -0700
> >From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>  
> >Subject: Re: actually linda is right  
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> >i said nothing about you being liberal, i stated
> that
> >unintended consequences happens with a lot of
> >legislation and that one had to look at what can
> >happen. i do not see that aS LIBERAL NOR
> CONCERVATIVE.
> >i see it as causious. and again jumping before
> looking
> >may end one up going off a cliff. i don't think i
> >tared anything.  
> >
> >--- "Michael H. Collis" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> I'm not debating you.  I just asked two
> questions,
> >> and you seem to tar everything that comes in
> >> conflict with your ideas as liberal and therefore
> >> unamerican...   Please answer my questions.
> >> 
> >> ---- Original message ----
> >> >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 13:35:04 -0700
> >> >From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>  
> >> >Subject: Re: actually linda is right  
> >> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >> >
> >> >  i really don't want to debate gay rights
> again,
> >> but,
> >> >you leap without looking at what all the
> >> consequences
> >> >are and you do so at your own periel. there are
> >> always
> >> >consequences to every thing that is legislated
> and
> >> >many times they are un-intended. 
> >> > 
> >> >--- "Michael H. Collis" <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Okay. Ken, how about this?  If a male
> >> transgendered
> >> >> himself into a female,  then got married to a
> >> male,
> >> >> would that be okay?  that's what happened to
> an
> >> >> online jewish friend.  he met the person he
> ended
> >> up
> >> >> marrying while the person was still male, A
> year
> >> >> later the transgender process was complete and
> >> they
> >> >> got married.  Then there are the
> hermaphrodites. 
> >> >> Granted, they make up a very small percentage
> of
> >> the
> >> >> population, but they have both genders.  what
> are
> >> we
> >> >> to do with those people?    
> >> >> 
> >> >> ---- Original message ----
> >> >> >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:12:52 -0700
> >> >> >From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>  
> >> >> >Subject: Re: actually linda is right  
> >> >> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >> >> >
> >> >> >you would not remove the guard rails that are
> at
> >> >> the
> >> >> >cliff edges at the grand canyon because of
> what
> >> is
> >> >> >likely to happen. 
> >> >> >
> >> >> >you don't ignore the slippery slope that is
> >> there
> >> >> >because it is prudent to look at what is
> likely
> >> to
> >> >> >happen. 
> >> >> >
> >> >> >nothing to do with morals; everything to do
> with
> >> >> good
> >> >> >common sense. 
> >> >> >
> >> >> >--- Trisha Cummings <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Hi Ken,
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >>   You know the one thing I learned while I
> was
> >> >> >> teaching in that
> >> >> >> Christian private school - is those people
> are
> >> >> very
> >> >> >> sincere in their
> >> >> >> beliefs - and no I never mentioned I am
> Pagan
> >> nor
> >> >> >> argued with one thing
> >> >> >> said. As I said I learned they honestly and
> >> >> >> sincerely believe what they
> >> >> >> believe. And so it is everyone - so why
> would
> >> >> anyone
> >> >> >> think they would
> >> >> >> bring you around to their way of thinking -
> we
> >> >> can
> >> >> >> never change anyone's
> >> >> >> mind - they have see beyond the horizon of
> >> their
> >> >> >> boundaries - a
> >> >> >> uncomfortable play to be. 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> I have no problem with gay marriages - if
> >> >> polygamy
> >> >> >> were a voluntary
> >> >> >> state - not a brainwasher slave state - I
> >> could
> >> >> >> perhaps see it but for
> >> >> >> the most part since we have no positive
> role
> >> >> models
> >> >> >> here - it's hard to
> >> >> >> make a judgement on it. I can see jealousy
> >> being
> >> >> a
> >> >> >> major factor in it
> >> >> >> not being successful. I really don't think
> >> anyone
> >> >> >> backs pedifiles. Of
> >> >> >> course you do have some laws for young
> >> marriages.
> >> >> I
> >> >> >> think the thing is
> >> >> >> view each item on its own merits and not
> lump
> >> >> them
> >> >> >> together because it
> >> >> >> might lead down a slippery slope - blanket
> >> >> >> com=ndemning things - could
> >> >> >> be seen as going down a slippery slope
> also.
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >>               Oooops got to run.....       
>  
> >> >> Trisha
> >> >> >> (who is taking her
> >> >> >> Mom shopping)
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> >> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> >> >> >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf
> >> >> >> Of ken barber
> >> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 4:36 PM
> >> >> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> >> >> Subject: actually linda is right
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> actually linda is right on the fact that i
> do
> >> not
> >> >> >> post
> >> >> >> much of controversy direct to the list as
> much
> >> as
> >> >> i
> >> >> >> once did. i am following the advice that i
> >> give
> >> >> my
> >> >> >> son
> >> >> >> "choose your fights well and be sure they
> are
> >> >> worth
> >> >> >> the efford you are going to have to put in
> >> them."
> >> >> i
> >> >> >> post many things to about 3 or 4 people who
> >> for
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> most part do not agreee with my opinions,
> but
> >> >> that i
> >> >> >> 
> >> >> >> know are not going to attack me for having
> my
> 
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