"mr haruna masoud" Sountouni.
Yasum! Hais about it?
"truely you have been hard on me." Suntouni.
I'm sorry. I just thought your desire is to win as many converts to islam as
possible but that you may be inadvertently repulsing many more.
"even sister jabou can rescue me here." Suntouni.
A'Aaa! This is your bowl o' wax. Sister Jabou ain't doin no rescuing
tonight. She's tired of rescuing you.
"islam as i understand it is a practical faith." Suntouni.
You mean a lifestyle don't you?
"yes, indeed both knowledge and wealth are subjective yet, many try to gain
both but fail flat." Suntouni.
Does that change the subjective nature of wealth and education? What's that?
I can't hear you!
"remember when you where in high school in the gambia ,how many people have
you attended school with and how many attain the position you did?" Suntouni.
Many people attended school with me in Gambia. I suppose since education and
wealth are subjective, I cannot know who attained the same as, or more or
less than me. And do you think that is significant? I mean since they are
subjective as you have agreed, there wouldn't be any value in comparing apples and
oranges.
"we may all embark on the same journey but some find it hard to complete the
journey." Suntouni.
Do you know that you can be walking hand in hand with someone on the same
Denton Bridge but he/she may be journeying underwater and you in the clouds????
"it is just like a battle field .soldiers are send on a mission but in some
cases not all of them return back to base .some get killed and some get
injured. this is life." Suntouni.
That ought to tell you even soldiers in battle are on varying journeys. What
do you think? And this should tell you then that whatever wealth and or
education they may acquire in their various journeys will be unique as to them.
The journey is in the mind not in the locomotion.
Suntou, I think you do not understand that we agree on variations in wealth
and education. Where we seem to part company is that I believe Allah starts
all his children with unique amounts of wealth and education and capacity for
further unique wealth and education. The amount of wealth and or education
you end up with is not pre-ordained. It depends on large measure on your
efforts and desires. In effect, if you didn't make effort or did not have the
desire, you will still be uniquely educated and uniquely wealthy. I think you take
education to be synonymous with literacy in a particular language or
information in a particular discipline to be education. That is not education. And
if take them to be for argument sakes, wealth and Education will still be
subjective. I was only assisting you in better communicating your quotes of the
quoran. I neither have the time nor the inclination to engage in a
philosophical debate about wealths and educations. In fact I'm tired right about now.
"i will advice you to read suratul al-imran chapter 3 of the quran verse
26." Suntouni.
Oh brother!
[it reads ''say O Allah! possessor of the kingdom,you give the kingdom to
whom you will,and take the kingdom from whom you will,you endue with honour
whom you will,and you humiliate whom you will.in your hand is the
good.verily,you are able to do all things''] Suntouni.
endow. What do verses 20-25 and 27-30 say? What you just shared here above
is the omnipotence of Allah. Not the wealth or education of anyone. Do you
understand now? For consolation, I too think Allah aides in the creation of
wealth and education. I just want to be sure you understood me.
"this is just one verse that explicitly explain that it is Allah that give
provision and honour." Suntouni.
OK. What about wealth and education???
"if my interpretation is wrong ,may Allah foregive me but the translation is
accurate." Suntouni.
No arguments from me. And whether your translation is correct or not still
doesn't address what you mean to convey. Read the whole Suratul Imraan again.
You may come away with a more comprehensive perspective.
"in the streets of serrekunda ,there are countless intelligent youngsters
who cannot continue their education due to lack of funds ,yet some never find
that difficulty." Suntouni.
Suntou, this is not only true in the streets of Serrekunda. It is true in
Karachi, Nagorno Karabach, Kanilai, Sareh Ngai, and Bulawayo.
"on the other hand some people struggle hard to attain what they achieve
,those are indeed specail human beings" Suntouni.
No they are not any more special than those who haven't achieved as much.
"our man from aljamahiriya ,i heard that the colonel once try to change the
verse of the quran .he said instead of the word kul or read ,the reciter
should just proceed without that word." Suntouni.
There you go again. It is "Khul; huwa, Allaahu Ahad, Allaahu Ssamad, Lam
Yalid, Walam Yulad, Walam Yakun Lahu, Kufu'An, Ahad.
"did you here that when in libya?" Suntouni.
No. But that doesn't mean he didn't say it. The man's got some loose screws
up there. thawra Sha'Abiyyah walijaan fi kulli makaan. Haroun Masoud. Bye
Ayatollah. I see our friend is inundating us with news about Gordon Brown. These
Pan Africanists have some issues. I didn't realise Old Gordon is this
important. Apparently he is.
Haruna Darbo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Suntou,
I imagine this is one of the reasons a good number of the world's citizens
do not subscribe to Islam. it resigns you to perpetual dispossession with
incomplete thoughts. Consider that instead of saying "We are not equal in
wealth
and education" Islam had shared with you that "Our wealth and level of
education depends in large measure on our efforts and desires". Islam all of
a
sudden becomes a desirable religion for you. You will recognize that Wealth
and
Education are subjective. Therefore it is presumptuous to qualify divine
interdiction in their scope for another.
What I'm afraid of is that you have indeed distilled Islam's thoughts in too
narrow a way that you risked obviating the intent. Many an impressionable
mind are confused with erroneous translation. It may be valuable when you
share
your understanding of such Islamic quotes, you also share the story that the
quote distills.
I am a student of Islam and I admire the religion. I also practice some of
the traditions of the prophet Muhammad and his people to the extent they are
valuable to me and my people. That is why I cringe when I read quotes from
the
quoran that do not convey fuller meaning.
Haroun Al Khairawan. You and I have a score to settle in discernments. I
will come back to that shortly. I have not forgotten, merely distracted by
weightier matter. MQDT. Darbo.
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