I agree totally.  Use to love ghost when it was text.  No reason on 
earth for it to be a g u i program at dos, and it could have keyboard 
short cuts as well, but they just don't care.
73s
Butch Bussen
wa0vjr

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006, Louis 
Kim Kline wrote:

> Hi.
>
> Actually, I'd like to see the NFB bring a lawsuit against Symantec like
> they did to AOL a few years ago.  Symantec, which has an attitude very
> similar to our favorite radio company, Yaesu, has been asking for it for a
> while.
>
> 73, de Lou K2LKK
>
>
>
> At 11:36 AM 9/24/2006 -0400, you wrote:
>>     Harvey and all:
>>
>> I don't know if it'd do any good, but maybe  someone on the list would like
>> to forward this info onto the tech people at Freedom Scientific, so that
>> they could start designing a fix for the problem for the next major Jaws
>> upgrade.
>>
>> In fact, now that I think of it, isn't it about time for Jaws 8.0 to come
>> out?
>>
>> I thought the new upgrades came out in September, or at least sometime in
>> the Fall of each year.
>>
>> Anyway, this is just a thought.
>>
>> 73 from Tom Behler: KB8TYJ
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Harvey" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 11:24 AM
>> Subject: Fw: Heads up: NortonAntivirus/Norton Internet Security 2007
>> incompatib...
>>
>>
>>> Keep in mind that this is one person's opinion, but I thought maybe people
>>> should see this who are thinking of buying Norton 2007.  73.
>>> Harvey Heagy (N.5.H.A.U.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello, As a long time user of Symantec products, I am saddened to inform
>>> everyone that the new Norton 2007 products are no longer compatible with
>>> Jaws. After purchasing Norton Internet Security 2007, and performing
>>> extensive testing on it, I've determined the following.
>>> * A blind person is unable to activate the product without sighted
>>> assistance. if Jaws is loaded, the Activation program immediately quits,
>>> rather than displaying its dialogs. This happens during the setup process,
>>> and causes your installation to be left in an unusable state. Fixing this
>>> requires sighted assistance to get through the activation process, at
>> which
>>> time the product (mostly) repairs itself.
>>> * Once the product is installed, configuration is exceedingly difficult.
>> The
>>> software is completely inaccessible from the keyboard, Unlike it previous
>>> versions the interface does not appear to take advantage of the Windows
>>> built in html rendering facilities, instead using its own rendering
>> method.
>>> All configuration must be done with the jaws cursor, and Jaws's ability to
>>> see things like buttons is eratic at best. (admittedly, it may be possible
>>> to improve this via the use of a tool like Hotspot clicker, but getting to
>> a
>>> state where you could would require heavy sighted intevention, and its
>>> questionable as to whether it would be worth it.) * When the product tries
>>> to alert with Jaws loaded (at least on my machine), it instead blue
>> screens
>>> and reboots. I tested this with the standard antivirus test. Eicar?
>>> (not sure on the spelling), which is a harmless .com file intended to do
>>> nothing but trigger antivirus products. (all products use this as a
>>> standard, "hello world" test.)
>>>
>>> The combination of the three above points leads me to believe that ongoing
>>> persistance with this product would prove fruitless.
>>> (Note: while I did not perform testing with Window Eyes, it has been my
>>> experience in the past that WE has been less effective at accessing the
>>> Norton interfaces when they were accessible, so I have no reason to
>> believe,
>>> and hence no inclination to try it, that the situation with 2007 would be
>>> any better, in fact, I suspect it would be dramaticly worse).
>>>
>>> This message is a heads up to advise others not to buy the Norton
>>> 2007 products. if you are a Norton user, stick with 2006, as that is, at
>>> least, accessible. If not, then it looks like its now time to find a new
>>> package.
>>>
>
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