well the fact remains that fewer people can get on HF because they have no 
land to speak of.  I'm now one of those who lives in an area where houses 
are closer together and its pretty tough to put up an HF antenna.  Of course 
its not ham radio in a true sense but if there's a way to keep the interest 
going and people don't let their licenses lapse and if there's a way for 
people to use HF well its just another way.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: Taking the radio out of ham radio


> because that has nothing to do with ham radio what so ever and in fact 
> helps
> go against ham radio because of the way it's promoted. It should be 100%
> illegal for an internet chat room, to "require" a ham radio license and 
> the
> insinuation that they are anything to do with ham radio puts them over the
> line, in my book, of fraud. Anyone who'd support such a thing obviously
> doesn't care at all about ham radio and what it's all about and shouldn't
> have a license, especially for those incredibly shameful lazy hams that 
> will
> actually use that in place of HF privileges, and potentially the work to 
> get
> a license to go on HF because the fact remains, it's nothing more than an
> internet chat room that fraudulently claims to be ham radio, simulated or
> not.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "hank smith" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 1:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Taking the radio out of ham radio
>
>
>> why should they loose there license?
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "John Miller" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: Taking the radio out of ham radio
>>
>>
>>> but this idiot that invented this doesn't have any RF involved at all so
>>> it's not radio in the least and anyone who thinks it is needs to look at
>>> what radio is. Personally, I think anyone who would sign up or anything
>>> with
>>> them should lose their license but that's JMO.
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Christopher Moore" <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 11:38 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Taking the radio out of ham radio
>>>
>>>
>>>> Buddy,
>>>> Since you signed up for the 90 day free trial, give us a report on how
>>>> it work and whether the transceiver software is accessible.  They said
>>>> there were some shortcut keys to help the visually impaired.
>>>>
>>>> The one nice thing about this product is you don't need to mess around
>>>> with your router ports as you do with echolink.  you can also make 
>>>> qso's
>>>> with cw.
>>>>
>>>> I think the purists might argue that anything that use voip is NOT ham
>>>> radio.
>>>>
>>>> 73 Chris w1gm
>>>>
>>>
>>