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Ham Steve <[log in to unmask]>
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Sun, 24 Sep 2006 14:36:18 -0400
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I haven't played with Symantec's 2007 version, so what this poster is saying 
may in fact be true.  But, I can say for a fact that McAfee's Internet 
Security suite is definitely inaccessible.  I am a competent JFW user and 
somewhat capable with Window Eyes.  You can't adjust the McAfee system 
sliders with either program.  Certainly, not with JFW, if there's a way with 
Win Eyes I haven't tried it yet.  I am going to try with System Access in a 
couple days.

There's going to be a lot of business for disability lawyers if we have to 
resort to suing individual websites and manufacturers.  The solution is to 
expand Section 508 to cover products and websiges, not just government 
provided procurements.

Steve
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Louis Kim Kline" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Heads up: NortonAntivirus/Norton Internet Security 2007 
incompatib...


> Hi.
>
> Actually, I'd like to see the NFB bring a lawsuit against Symantec like
> they did to AOL a few years ago.  Symantec, which has an attitude very
> similar to our favorite radio company, Yaesu, has been asking for it for a
> while.
>
> 73, de Lou K2LKK
>
>
>
> At 11:36 AM 9/24/2006 -0400, you wrote:
>>     Harvey and all:
>>
>>I don't know if it'd do any good, but maybe  someone on the list would 
>>like
>>to forward this info onto the tech people at Freedom Scientific, so that
>>they could start designing a fix for the problem for the next major Jaws
>>upgrade.
>>
>>In fact, now that I think of it, isn't it about time for Jaws 8.0 to come
>>out?
>>
>>I thought the new upgrades came out in September, or at least sometime in
>>the Fall of each year.
>>
>>Anyway, this is just a thought.
>>
>>73 from Tom Behler: KB8TYJ
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Harvey" <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>>Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 11:24 AM
>>Subject: Fw: Heads up: NortonAntivirus/Norton Internet Security 2007
>>incompatib...
>>
>>
>> > Keep in mind that this is one person's opinion, but I thought maybe 
>> > people
>> > should see this who are thinking of buying Norton 2007.  73.
>> > Harvey Heagy (N.5.H.A.U.)
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello, As a long time user of Symantec products, I am saddened to 
>> > inform
>> > everyone that the new Norton 2007 products are no longer compatible 
>> > with
>> > Jaws. After purchasing Norton Internet Security 2007, and performing
>> > extensive testing on it, I've determined the following.
>> > * A blind person is unable to activate the product without sighted
>> > assistance. if Jaws is loaded, the Activation program immediately 
>> > quits,
>> > rather than displaying its dialogs. This happens during the setup 
>> > process,
>> > and causes your installation to be left in an unusable state. Fixing 
>> > this
>> > requires sighted assistance to get through the activation process, at
>>which
>> > time the product (mostly) repairs itself.
>> > * Once the product is installed, configuration is exceedingly 
>> > difficult.
>>The
>> > software is completely inaccessible from the keyboard, Unlike it 
>> > previous
>> > versions the interface does not appear to take advantage of the Windows
>> > built in html rendering facilities, instead using its own rendering
>>method.
>> > All configuration must be done with the jaws cursor, and Jaws's ability 
>> > to
>> > see things like buttons is eratic at best. (admittedly, it may be 
>> > possible
>> > to improve this via the use of a tool like Hotspot clicker, but getting 
>> > to
>>a
>> > state where you could would require heavy sighted intevention, and its
>> > questionable as to whether it would be worth it.) * When the product 
>> > tries
>> > to alert with Jaws loaded (at least on my machine), it instead blue
>>screens
>> > and reboots. I tested this with the standard antivirus test. Eicar?
>> > (not sure on the spelling), which is a harmless .com file intended to 
>> > do
>> > nothing but trigger antivirus products. (all products use this as a
>> > standard, "hello world" test.)
>> >
>> > The combination of the three above points leads me to believe that 
>> > ongoing
>> > persistance with this product would prove fruitless.
>> > (Note: while I did not perform testing with Window Eyes, it has been my
>> > experience in the past that WE has been less effective at accessing the
>> > Norton interfaces when they were accessible, so I have no reason to
>>believe,
>> > and hence no inclination to try it, that the situation with 2007 would 
>> > be
>> > any better, in fact, I suspect it would be dramaticly worse).
>> >
>> > This message is a heads up to advise others not to buy the Norton
>> > 2007 products. if you are a Norton user, stick with 2006, as that is, 
>> > at
>> > least, accessible. If not, then it looks like its now time to find a 
>> > new
>> > package.
>> >
>
> Louis Kim Kline
> A.R.S. K2LKK
> Home e-mail:  [log in to unmask]
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> Work Telephone:  (585) 697-5753
> 

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