oh, my wife likes the forensic files and stuff like
that on court tv, i think. 

--- Kathy Salkin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> It might have been easier to hide money before the
> FBI and the Dept  
> of Treasury got wise to the offshore accounts, but I
> think it's  
> actually harder for people to hide money in bank
> accounts now.  Even   
> offshore banks have to give up information about
> account holders to  
> the authorities.  If you do any banking at all, you
> leave a trail  
> that's traceable to the source, even if it's
> fraudulent.  I think the  
> criminals are working harder and harder in coming up
> with new ways to  
> hide their money (you can tell I watch too much Law
> and Order!).  The  
> depths that criminals go to to never fail to amaze
> me.
> 
> Someone once told me that the only way to completely
> avoid being  
> tracked by the government is to handle all your
> transactions in cash  
> - seems to me that'd be pretty hard to do in this
> day and age.  For  
> example, my apartment manager requires we pay our
> rent by check which  
> means one has to have a bank account which in turn
> means you have  
> traceable financial records.  I know you can
> probably set up dummy  
> accounts, etc but again, that's a lot of effort and
> can leave a paper  
> trail.
> 
> Kat
> 
> 
> On Mar 25, 2007, at 10:59 PM, ken barber wrote:
> 
> > i had to take one more peek before bed. i am
> adicted
> > to you guys, you know that. i was up at 4:30 this
> > morning still awake, so i must get to bed.
> >
> > you are right deri, my references to the tax
> avoidance
> > being in the present system does not answer your
> > point. however your bringing up tax avoiders is
> not
> > really a good arguement against the system either.
> >
> > i wish i owed a million dollars in taxes every
> year.
> > it would mean that i would be rich. i might be an
> > idiot, but a rich idiot and paying someone to do
> > things i have to do for my self.  now while i feel
> > that way, i know others would try to avoid tax.i'd
> > think if you went back in history and found the
> day
> > the first tax was levied, you'd find that the next
> day
> > there was the first tax avoider trying to avoid
> > paying. it would be no more grievious in the fair
> tax
> > than it is in the income tax. you'll have tax
> > avoidance in any system. this one would be no
> > different in that aspect.
> >
> > having said that, and i have no statistics i would
> > think that it would be easier in the present
> system to
> > hide income than to hide the purchase of some
> goods
> > and avoid a tax at every purchase. i mean it would
> > probably be easier to shuffle income around
> between
> > ofgf shore accounts than to hide the fact that i
> am
> > driving a new rolls royce around anniston,
> alabama. or
> > to shuffle funds around those off shore accounts
> than
> > to hide the fact that just yesterday i parked a
> lear
> > jet at peachtree dubwoody airport. i could be
> wrong, i
> > just think it would be harder in the fair tax
> system
> > than the present. but. i am sure there would be
> people
> > who tried.
> >
> > oh by the way, there are some democrat congressmen
> > that support this if it can be passed without the
> > republicans getting credit for it. i am willing to
> > give the democrat party credit if they step up and
> do
> > it. if i did not honestly think it would help more
> > poor perple than it hurt, i'd not be for it.
> >
> > good night guys. have a good one. be back
> tomorrow.
> >
> > --- Deri James <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> On Monday 26 March 2007 00:59, ken barber wrote:
> >>> deri, every family in  america would get the
> >> prebate
> >>> on spending for necessities of life. only after
> >> one
> >>> spends above that level would there be any tax.
> >> even
> >>> bill gates, need it or not, would not pay on
> that
> >>> level of spending that would be considered
> poverty
> >>> level. a persom who only had poverty lebel money
> >> to
> >>> spend would probably not spend more. in the
> >> example of
> >>> bill gates, he'd blow the poverty level on a
> small
> >>> dinner party and them pay the taxes on
> everything
> >> else
> >>> after that. i know you do not want the evul rich
> >> to
> >>> get it, but hence the name fair tax.
> >>
> >> I feel your not attempting to answer any of the
> >> points I tried to make below
> >> (probably my fault for not being clearer). :-(
> >>
> >> What is your view on the miser? The non resident
> >> millionaire? The trivial
> >> avoidance techniques?
> >>
> >> This tax would widen the gulf between rich and
> poor,
> >> so, as such, cannot be
> >> called "fair".
> >>
> >>>  a lot of the underground ecconomy would get
> into
> >>> paying their share, and of course we'd put the
> >> bite on
> >>> you rich tourist from the UK. and no prebate for
> >> you.
> >>> -:)
> >>
> >> An "underground economy" is a cancer on society,
> >> root it out, don't legitimise
> >> it by making it pay a "sales" tax!! Would Al
> Capone
> >> have gone to prison
> >> in "FairTax" America.
> >>
> >> As a rich tourist I'm sure I'll "have a nice day"
> -
> >> until the money runs out!!
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >> Deri
> >>
> >>
> >>> --- Deri James <[log in to unmask]>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> Hi Ken,
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sunday 25 March 2007 22:41, ken barber
> wrote:
> >>>>> extendedfamilies are considered separately
> >> here
> >>>>
> >>>> and
> >>>>
> >>>>> granny would get her own pre-bate separatly.
> >> so
> >>>>
> >>>> thats
> >>>>
> >>>>> not a real problem. it does consider
> >> dependernts
> >>>>
> >>>> as
> >>>>
> >>>>> the prebate is set by size of family as the
> >> povety
> >>>>> levels are set by the government. so that is
> >> not
> >>>>> actally a problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> Granny would be considered part of the
> >> "Qualified
> >>>> Family". You are allowed to
> >>>> specify more than one recipient for the prebate
> >>>> payment, it says "then the
> >>>> prebate payment will be divided evenly among
> 
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