I guess if heaven is not "material things" we won't be playing football or
eating ice cream or whatever that was some wanted to eat on the list when
they at last got to Heaven. Not to mention the mansions or the streets of
gold as those are material. Don't forget the crowns of gold and white
robes. In the apocalypse St. John describes a very material heaven. What
about the glorified bodies we are suppose to have. Aren't they material as
well else how in heaven's name are we to know each other. All those who
have returned from these near death experiences have seen a material heaven
which they say is just as real as what we see here on earth. I suppose as
heaven is not material I may as well forget about sight and healing in
heaven as I won't have a material body? Is that what you are saying?
Regarding Islam being a cult, this is not true. Their faith and beliefs are
different than our beliefs but their faith is no cult. If you read the
Curran you will see they also believe in the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
They have also a strong belief in Jesus. One of the the fundamental things
upon which we differ is the person/god nature of Jesus. This is a
fundamental of the Christian faith that Jesus was in truth God who came down
as propitiation for our sins. The Moslem does not believe this. I believe
this is the main difference between us though there are others which I will
not mention here as I don't want to write a discourse. But to imply they do
not believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is just wrong. This is
why there are Jihads. They grow out of basic ignorance of the faith of the
other.
----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Carter <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: What's With All the Blind Clerics?
> No I have never read the Koran nor do I intend to read any cult books.
The Bible is the only book I need written from the real God. Father of
Isaac and Abraham. The Koran is written by a human wanting to think you can
have material things for ever. The Bible says all these earthly things
shall pass away
> Yes we are to receive all good things but it also says there will be no
marraige in heaven there is no need for it. Remember the part where the
women married the next brother each time her husband would die and they
asked which she would be married to in Heaven. None of them. Phil or Brad
you can probably tell what verse and explain what good things we receive in
Heaven way better than I can. Heaven is not material things.
>
> --
> I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out
there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there
is
>
> IN GOD WE TRUST
> Karen Carter '74
> -KC- Ministries
>
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: [log in to unmask]
> > Read the Curran. It is 70 virgins and 70 brides. Doesn't the bible say
to
> > us we shall receive all good things once we arrive at heaven's gate. Of
> > course it does. These are things valued by Moslem men particularly
young
> > ones.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Karen Carter <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: What's With All the Blind Clerics?
> >
> >
> > > I was thinking of those guys who flew into the tower because they were
> > told that Ala was going to give thme fifty virgins each and a bunch of
other
> > earthly things. I bet they were surprised when they got there found out
> > that there is no need for virgins because in the spirit world we will
not
> > have any sexes. Plus there was not a sacrifice like they thought it was
> > suicide and destruction of their temples (bodies)
> > > --
> > > I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out
> > there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out
there
> > is
> > >
> > > IN GOD WE TRUST
> > > Karen Carter '74
> > > -KC- Ministries
> > >
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > From: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Why do you say this? What do you know of Islam that you would say
such
> > a
> > > > thing? I have very good Moslem friends and I don't believe any
would
> > > > sacrifice their sight to gain favor with God. However, I think it
is
> > noble
> > > > to be willing to do such a thing. After all Jesus said it is better
to
> > > > enter the kingdom of heaven with one hand or one eye or perhaps no
eyes
> > than
> > > > to be cast in to hell for eternity. I wish I had that sort of zeal
for
> > God
> > > > but alas I don't I fear.?
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Karen Carter <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:10 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Fw: What's With All the Blind Clerics?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > They probably sacraficed their eyes or whaat have you to get
blessing
> > from
> > > > Ala.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find
out
> > > > there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find
out
> > there
> > > > is
> > > > >
> > > > > IN GOD WE TRUST
> > > > > Karen Carter '74
> > > > > -KC- Ministries
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > > > From: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > > This is interesting. It seems the cultures with the highest
> > restraints
> > > > > > against our full participation in society will jump at the
chance to
> > > > cast us
> > > > > > in clerical roles as if to say, "God will embrace these people
even
> > if
> > > > we
> > > > > > won't."
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Blind World Magazine <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > To: Blind News <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:21 PM
> > > > > > Subject: What's With All the Blind Clerics?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What's With All the Blind Clerics?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > January 20, 2006.
> > > > > > > By Daniel Engber,
> > > > > > > Slate - USA.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Omar Abdel Rahman: the blind bomber
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri denied preaching racial
> > hatred in
> > > > a
> > > > > > > British courtroom on Thursday. Al-Masri has been linked to the
> > > > would-be
> > > > > > > shoe-bomber Richard Reid and stands accused of starting a
> > terrorist
> > > > > > training
> > > > > > > camp in Oregon. Most news reports also mention that al-Masri
has
> > only
> > > > one
> > > > > > > eye and no hands. It seems like we're always hearing about
blind
> > or
> > > > > > > half-blind Muslim clerics-what's the deal?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > There is a pattern of the blind leading the not-blind in
modern
> > Islam.
> > > > A
> > > > > > > traditional Muslim education in some ways favors the blind,
since
> > it
> > > > > > > proceeds largely through the repetition and memorization of
sacred
> > > > texts.
> > > > > > > Children chant Quranic verses until they know them by heart;
those
> > who
> > > > > > learn
> > > > > > > the whole book often receive advanced religious training.
Blind
> > > > kids-who
> > > > > > > often make up for their disability with a finely tuned sense
of
> > > > > > hearing-tend
> > > > > > > to do quite well at this.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Children who can't see may also get pushed toward the clergy
by
> > their
> > > > > > > parents. Clerics often preach through the artful recitation of
the
> > > > > > > Quran-something a blind person can learn to do as well as
anyone
> > else.
> > > > The
> > > > > > > same child would be at a severe disadvantage in a conventional
> > > > classroom,
> > > > > > > and he'd have a harder time holding down a regular job.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Muslims have revered blind clerics for over 1,000 years. In
one
> > scene
> > > > in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > Quran, the Prophet frowns and turns away from a blind man,
only to
> > > > have
> > > > > > > Allah castigate him for rejecting a spiritual seeker. The man,
> > called
> > > > > > > Abdullah ibn Umm Maktum, became an important early follower of
the
> > > > > > Prophet.
> > > > > > > (The tradition of blind religious figures extends back to
early
> > > > Judaism
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > Christianity as well.)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Today, even blind people without religious training enjoy a
> > certain
> > > > level
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > respect in the Muslim world. Turks, for example, refer to a
blind
> > man
> > > > as a
> > > > > > > hafiz-meaning one who has completely memorized the
Quran-whether
> > or
> > > > not he
> > > > > > > has earned the title. In Egypt, blind men are casually
described
> > as
> > > > > > > moulanas, a term of respect given to Muslim scholars.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Another factor in the prevalence of blind clerics may be the
high
> > > > rates of
> > > > > > > blindness in Arab countries. A 2002 study, for example,
reveals a
> > dire
> > > > > > > situation in Lebanon, Oman, and Morocco, where more than 5
percent
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > people over the age of 50 couldn't see.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The blind clerics most often mentioned in the Western press
are
> > > > radical
> > > > > > > jihadis like Abu Hamza al-Masri or Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman-the
> > "blind
> > > > > > sheik"
> > > > > > > accused of masterminding the World Trade Center bombing of
1993.
> > But
> > > > blind
> > > > > > > clerics are just as likely to be moderates. The revered Saudi
> > > > Abdelaziz
> > > > > > ibn
> > > > > > > Baaz, for example, renounced violence in the name of
installing
> > > > Islamic
> > > > > > > governments. He also issued a fatwa allowing Muslim men to
take
> > > > Viagra.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In fact, blindness could be a liability within the most
militant
> > sects
> > > > of
> > > > > > > Islam. In the 1980s, members of the Egyptian jihad movement
> > debated
> > > > > > whether
> > > > > > > Abdel Rahman's blindness made him a poor operational leader.
The
> > > > strongest
> > > > > > > voice opposing him belonged to Ayman al-Zawahiri, now thought
to
> > be
> > > > > > > al-Qaida's No. 2 figure.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Explainer thanks Richard Antoun of the State University of New
> > York,
> > > > > > Mahmoud
> > > > > > > Ayoub of Temple University, Fawaz Gerges of Sarah Lawrence,
and
> > > > Valerie
> > > > > > > Hoffman of the University of Illinois.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Source URL: http://www.slate.com/id/2134506/#.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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