The summer after I graduated from College, I got a post card in the
mail that said "Return this if you're interested in hearing about Army
opportunities.  I returned it, and got a call from the local recruiter
in a couple of weeks, who asked me o set up an appointment to go talk
to him.  I rolled into the office n my chair, and he said "Uh, I think
there has been some mistake..."  I said "Do I still get the free
T-Shirt?"


I'd been out of work and school for three months, and was getting
bored, so I asked if he knew of any civilian opportunities.  He
mntiuoned several civil service type things to look into, but never
mentioned things like VISTA, or Peace Corps, or similar avenues.
These agencies already exist, and could be great avenues for public
service for those who are morally or philosophically opposed to
military service, and would do a lot of good for the US and the world

BTW, as of last night Kerry had apologized....

Kendall (Who has been out of town since last Saturday morning)

On 11/1/06, Kathleen Salkin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Mag, by "National Service" I meant all sorts of jobs,not just the
> military.  It'd be kind of like the work programs that the government
> put in place in the 1930s, except it'd be compulsory for one or two
> years.
>
> Kat
>
>
> On 1 Nov 2006, at 20:42, Tamar Raine wrote:
>
> Ken,
> I know high school teacher in West virginia who said that employment ops
> are so poor there that kids enlist in the service to get out of poverty.
>
> Kat, I disagree. i think sending kids to die for a country is wrong. I'd
> rather draft teachers to teach.
>
> Tamar Raine
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>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: ken barber <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Date: 11/1/2006 4:05:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: I REALLY HATE TO ASK BUT.....
> >
> >  even if i give you the fact that you think it truth,
> >  why insult them, what is the point?
> >
> >  now as to wheather what was said has some truth, let
> >  me just give you this link.
> >
> >
> > http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda05-08.cfm
> >
> >  it is quite lenghty, but answers some of the myths
> >  that are out there. but the troops are higher
> >  educated
> >  than the general population and they are not the
> >  poor and out. this disproves the statement completely
> > and so i have to disagree woth the conclusion that it
> > is true.
> >>
> >> it looks like the link is broken onto two lines so
> >> you
> >> might have to cut and past to get the entire url
> >> into
> >> the address bar and get it to come up.
> >>
> >> --- Elizabeth Thiers <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think as of this morning, Kerry was asked to
> >>> apologize and refused.  The
> >>> reason being that what he says has an ounce of
> >>> truth.  The folks mainly
> >>> joining the services aren't college educated
> >> people
> >>> or people who can afford
> >>> to go college.  They are folks who can't afford to
> >>> go to college, are
> >>> joining to get money for college, or are poor and
> >>> need a job.  More and
> >>> more, people like most of my family, who would go
> >> to
> >>> work at a factory for a
> >>> living wage are being pushed out of the job
> >> market.
> >>> Many folks join the
> >>> service for an opportunity to get educated in
> >>> something.
> >>> There needs to be a draft because of the huge
> >>> recruiting short falls, and
> >>> huge need thanks to the war on terror
> >>> but,unfortunately, as the present
> >>> administration knows, it would be considered
> >>> political suicide.
> >>> So, while it may sound insulting and politically
> >>> motivating, the comment is
> >>> true.  Get an education or your choices for a
> >> career
> >>> are slim....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Beth t.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Cerebral Palsy List
> >>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >>>> On Behalf Of Kathleen Salkin
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 5:47 AM
> >>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>> Subject: Re: I REALLY HATE TO ASK BUT.....
> >>>>
> >>>> I agree, Ken.  I think Kerry's remark was
> >> totally
> >>>> inappropriate and wrong - the caliber of the
> >>> volunteer army
> >>>> has been really high - it's the extended tours
> >> of
> >>> duty and
> >>>> stretching of resources that has them do things
> >>> that smart
> >>>> people wouldn't otherwise be doing at home.
> >>>>
> >>>> Now I know I will be castigated for saying this
> >>> but I think
> >>>> we need to go back to the draft for men and
> >>> include females.
> >>>> Other countries make national service compulsory
> >>> for its
> >>>> young people, and I think there's nothing wrong
> >>> with
> >>>> requiring a national service of some sort,
> >>> military or
> >>>> non-military so that young people can get job
> >>> experience and
> >>>> work for their country.
> >>>>
> >>>> Presently, a draft would ease the burden on our
> >>> forces and
> >>>> hopefully bring a swifter conclusion to our
> >>> presence in Iraq.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kat
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 1 Nov 2006, at 00:22, ken barber wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> i ask about john kerry's statement and was
> >>> wondering if
> >>>> anyone thought there would be any fall out,  i
> >> see
> >>> nothing
> >>>> that relates to that so i am going to ignore
> >> your
> >>> post for
> >>>> the most part as nothing i could say will change
> >>> your self
> >>>> admited hate.
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