Phil,

Although they likely have much to say at this age, I wonder what Gretchen's
little ones will say to her when they  are grown ? Too bad she can't
project that future conversation  she complained to you, as she might be
experiencing similar from her kids?

Brad


At 02:53 PM 12/18/2005 -0700, you wrote:
>Kathy,
>
>I talk tough but after this morning, I believe the ultimate decision will
>have to be made, that is, telling her to move out.  I don't want to do that
>but I have a minimum of three other people involved that are aware of
>everything from about day one with Gretchen.
>
>Based upon what you and Greg are discussing, and Sandy and I have had those
>talks dozens of times, I would do two things.  First, I have one thing I
>won't tolerate from Gretchen and I reminded her of this last week when we
>talked.  If I find out she is breaking the law, I will call the police
>myself.  This would be hard to do because Gretchen has no more chances by
>the court system.  She will go to prison, not jail, but prison.
>
>Secondly, today my daughter complained how she "hates" every Thanksgiving
>and Christmas.  This implies, of course, we ruin every Thanksgiving and
>Christmas she has.  Thank you very much.  I told Sandy, Gretchen is no
>longer welcome in our home for Thanksgiving and Christmas starting right
>now.  In the case of Chris not liking his gifts?  I'd take them back from
>him and give them to someone who appreciates them.  If I couldn't do it
>myself, I'd have somebody help me.
>
>Additionally, Sandy and I converse with many other Christians about these
>situations just to make sure we aren't crazy.  By the way, we aren't crazy.
>Yes, we have made mistakes.  So what else is new but, as I always tell
>Gretchen, I've never been arrested, I've never been to jail, I don't have an
>addiction problem, and I don't have a criminal record either.  She has all
>of those things.  It makes little difference because she simply cannot, at
>these times, be reasoned with.  Unfortunately, there are two little boys
>involved so it makes such decisions many times more difficult.
>
>Phil.

Brad

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