Hi Phil,
Praying for you guys  as always that you will always know, and be able to do 
the right thing in this situation.
Vinny
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 6:51 AM
Subject: Re: Gretchen Moving Out


> Oh Phil,
> Moving out may really be the best thing, though I know that it is
> hard.  Perhaps if she gets to the place where there is no one else to
> blame she'll have to begin to face things.  Drugs can only help a
> person live in denial for so long.  Praying as always!
> Kathy
>
>
> At 08:26 PM 1/27/2006, you wrote:
>>As most of you recall, I had a talk with my daughter before Christmas.  I
>>told her then I was giving her to the end of December to decide how she
>>wanted to live.  If she stayed in our home, she had certain rules to 
>>follow.
>>She has broken all the rules we had that she agreed to about four months
>>ago.  We have been getting reports from others who have seen Gretchen in
>>various places and places she should not have been.  She likewise has been
>>meeting up with a lot of her old drug friends.  Plus, she has been getting
>>stoned and claiming, when she had to miss work the next day so she could
>>sleep, that she had the stomach flue.  Anyhow, she claims she will be 
>>moving
>>into an apartment within a block of our house, supposedly, next Friday.
>>Sandy and I finally wondered, and we aren't the only ones who think this,
>>that we might be in Gretchen's way, that is, of making a decision on her 
>>own
>>which way she is going to live.  this way, she'll have to decide on her 
>>own.
>>She now will have restrictions as far as seeing her children are 
>>concerned.
>>By that I mean, she won't be allowed to keep either of her boys with her 
>>at
>>her apartment for any reason because she already has taken them to places,
>>and had them around people, with criminal records and who are druggies, 
>>and
>>the Lord only knows what else they are, in the last few weeks.  Just a 
>>week
>>ago, she has been over at the neighbors and they are big time dopers.
>>Gretchen still smokes cigarettes and although most Christians don't think
>>that's a big deal, anyone we have spoken with in drug rehab, Christian 
>>drug
>>rehab I mean to say, says if they won't give up the cigarettes, they will
>>almost always go back to the drugs.  My friend Keith, who builds houses, 
>>has
>>found that one fact to be true based upon many years of hiring former
>>druggies and x cons.  Gretchen told her brother that she used to spend 250
>>dollars a month on smokes before she went into the drug rehab Christian
>>home.  Anyhow, I haven't mentioned everything because, frankly, it is just
>>another verse of a very old worn out song.  Remind me to tell you some day
>>of the demonic activities around our home that seem to be more prevalent
>>when Gretchen is around.  One more thing, I found out that Gretchen is
>>telling everybody that we called her today and said she had to be out by
>>tomorrow.  We told her Wednesday to be out by Friday.  Plus, I told her 
>>two
>>weeks before Christmas that she had to the end of December to make up her
>>mind or I would make the decision myself.  Then a week or so ago, I 
>>reminded
>>her of the same thing.  Funny how we always want to blame somebody else 
>>for
>>things.
>>
>>Phil.