Keh, keh!  LOL!

Joe, you recognise 'dem Karkatarr'. I'm dying here with laughter; Gambians
never cease to amaze me! The same thing I was wondering when I read his "Mr.
Oursanou Darboe and Hamat Bah had every right to form a coalition" and then
his response to the STGP Press Release. When will we learn to say what we
mean and mean what we say? At least then one can learn to give the other
some modicum of respect. Instead one wants to 'ngarraleh' with one leg
everywhere and nowhere at the same time...

Regards,

Kabir.

 "Joe Sambou" <[log in to unmask]>



> "Mr. Oursanou Darboe and Hamat Bah had every right to form a coalition."
>
> Then why are you bugging folks, just continue with your opportunism.  Like
I
> said, it is deja vous all over again for you.  The same cult following you
> had with Sheriff Dibba to bolt and join the APRC, is the same nonsense
> you're trying to peddle here.  Had Sheriff lobbied a post for you, you'd
be
> in the click of Yaya, today, and you tried to mask it all with that "Olive
> Branch Sermon" of yours.  Out West they have a name for that kind of
> behavior.  It seems to me you can make a deal with the devil, if the
> opportunity presents itself.  If Ousainou/Hamat has a right to form a
> coalition, what about NADD?  The same person singing, let's come together,
> is the same person talking about NADD should join Ousainou and Hamat.  Is
> this not that silly supremacist view that I have been talking about?  When
> will it sink in you that we are not in 2001, much more the 60s?  You can
> never see Gambia as long as you are fixated on tribe, and it is a sad
state
> of affairs.  However, a new Gambia will be born and it is not going to be
> out of a rotten foundation of a supremacist theory, but self
determination.
> Gambians are going to determine their faith, not shallow interests.  So,
you
> can continue to hide behind the rights of Ousainou and Hamat, a pretext
for
> other reasons.  Please, stop sending me private messages, for me to call
> you.  I have no interest in calling you, for I know your signature a long
> time ago.  I am not a hypocrit.
>
> Chi Jaama
>
> Joe
>
>
> >From: Jassey Conteh <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: Jassey Conteh <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: [>-<] SS Daffeh RESPONSE
> >Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:14:01 -0500
> >
> >Well, I guess we will all go down in defeat if we do not compromise.  No
> >political system can claim to have unilateral policy that it can dictate
to
> >the
> >electorate.  We should be attentive and willing to reach out, despite our
> >differences.
> >
> >What is our objective?  Our objective is for a yahya-less Gambia.  Should
> >tribal
> >politics play a role in our desire for a democratic Gambia?  Absolutely
> >not!
> >Should one be taken objectively or subjectively in his or her assertion
of
> >inferencing tribal sentiment?  Absolutely yes!  While I condemn
tribalism,
> >I will
> >not sit idle to allow someone to depict a certain tribe.  Further, such
> >assertions
> >are contrary to the basic tendencies of a peaceful and democratic Gambia.
> >
> >In valuing objectivity and truth, should one support a candidate who
bribes
> >a voter to vote for him in electing a presidential nominee?  No!  I state
> >categorically
> >that such an act is fraud, and that I will not support such person.  I
> >believe fraud is
> >a reportable condition, and thus, has no materiality threshold.
> >
> >In the context of Gambian politics, we must speak with open minds.  But
in
> >doing
> >so, we should objectively state what is right and wrong.  It is sad that
> >while we
> >continue to waste valuable time, Jammeh and his thugs are having a field
> >day.
> >Mr. Oursanou Darboe and Hamat Bah had every right to form a coalition.
> >
> >Naphiyo,
> >Comrade Jassey-Conteh
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: Joe Sambou <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Sent: Feb 15, 2006 10:38 AM
> > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > >Subject: Re: [>-<] SS Daffeh RESPONSE
> > >
> > >Saul, thanks for your wise counsel to those that care to listen.
> >However,
> > >one thing needs to be very very clear to the UDP and whom ever drives
> >their
> > >thinking.  Gambia is owned by Gambians and folks will be damned, should
> >we
> > >allow another Dictator to arise from within us, when we are trying to
get
> > >rid of one.  This train is driven by Gambians and not some greedy bunch
> >that
> > >have managed to convince themselves that they are greater.  This is not
> > >2001, much more the 60s, so they better take note.  There is no
> >compromise
> > >to water down our aspirations.  The spirit of the MOU is a Gambian
> >product
> > >and not even Jammeh can hedge it.  So, we are always ready to defend
the
> > >interest of Gambians over any self serving pirate's.
> > >
> > >Chi Jaama
> > >Joe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >From:  "Saul S Khan" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Reply-To:  [log in to unmask]
> > >To:  <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Subject:  Re: [>-<] SS Daffeh RESPONSE
> > >Date:  Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:17:40 -0500 (EST)
> > >>[ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by "Saul S Khan"
> > >><[log in to unmask]> ]
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Good morning Mr. Mballow,
> > >>
> > >>Sorry, I was just poking fun at you, because I think I know where the
SS
> > >>Daffeh email comes from. But just to be sure; isn't the address "SS
> > >>[log in to unmask]"? Please confirm or deny this for me.
> > >>
> > >>Another thing Saihou - what is wrong with us starting a whole new
> >chapter
> > >>in our nation's life? After what our self-anointed Emperor has done,
is
> >it
> > >>too much to ask that we all agree to SAFEGUARDS that would prevent
> >anyone
> > >>like him from ever lording over us? What is wrong about having a Term
> > >>Limit? What is wrong about a temporary president who will preside over
> >the
> > >>mechanism that would usher in a new era? I ask these, because I get
the
> > >>feeling that Saihou Mballow and co subscribe to the nutty, and
one-track
> > >>minded ideas that this "SS Daffeh" character keeps putting out. Can't
> >you
> > >>see how unhelpful his ideas are? UDP-NRP may get around 40% of the
vote
> > >>(ceteris paribus.) The Emperor, thru' machination, etc might yet pull
> >out
> > >>45-48%. Doesn't common sense tell die hard UDP folks that they need to
> > >>reach out to NADD in order to capture enough votes to cross the line?
> > >>
> > >>Why is the UDP insisting on having it all? If history is anything to
go
> > >>by, those that have such attitudes end up loosing it all. If we don't
> > >>agree on anything else, I trust we can agree that those of us who have
> > >>been nervous about the UDP have reason to be. You are proving us right
> >by
> > >>your behavior. This open salivating at the prospects of power is what
> > >>worries some of us. We are not in the days of Mansaya. All we want is
> > >>someone to be Chief Executive for ten years, and whether he makes the
> > >>skies rain gold and diamonds on us, leave and let someone else take
> >over.
> > >>Why is that a problem?
> > >>
> > >>And finally, I hope that folks like yourself and Karamba would be a
> >FORCE
> > >>FOR GOOD within the UDP. The sun shines too hot in Gambia, so I can
> > >>understand why Ousainou and his fanatical Kitchen Cabinet don't seem
to
> >be
> > >>assessing things clearly. But you, Karamba, and others outside need to
> > >>impress on them what the dynamics are. UDP-NRP alliance DOES NOT have
> >the
> > >>numbers to beat the Emperor. Don�t be fooled by the Fula-Mandingo
> >60-65%
> > >>composition of the electorate. Those two groups are the most
> >unpredictable
> > >>when it comes to how they�re swing. In any case, your numerous
forward
> >of
> > >>this divisive, and mad Daffeh's "intellectual" writings is not
> >inspiring.
> > >>I would have felt better if you had  -just once- attempted to counter
> >some
> > >>of the outrageous things he had written about other NADD leaders. That
> >has
> > >>not happened. Please be a FORCE FOR GOOD.
> > >>
> > >>Would it be any consolation if come October, the Emperor sails thru�
> >by a
> > >>few points because of the intransigence of your party. I say
> > >>�intransigence� because NADD is willing to give UDP everything it
> >has
> > >>asked for, but the Go Ahead to be a replica of what obtains. (No sane
> > >>Gambian will be willing to budge on some Safeguards.) What is UDP
> >willing
> > >>to give in return? Tell us what Honorable-to-be Saihou Mballow thinks.
> >We
> > >>know what mad Daffeh thinks, now let�s hear yours�
> > >>
> > >>Thanks and good morning again.
> > >>
> > >>Saul
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering by saihou
Mballow
> > >> > <[log in to unmask]> ]
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Mr Khan,
> > >> >           traditionally i know it is a sign of respect
> > >> > to call someone "Koto" but i think i would give you
> > >> > the "kotoya" because you might be older than me.
> > >> >
> > >> > SS Daffeh's email address should be with
> > >> > ALLGambian.net newspaper should anyone have interest
> > >> > in it.
> > >> > For the seek of public interest i wouldn't hesitate to
> > >> > forward his writings or any other Gambian who ask for
> > >> > that favor if time permit me.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks
> > >> > Saihou
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --- Saul S Khan <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering
> > >> >> by "Saul S Khan" <[log in to unmask]> ]
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Koto Saihou -
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I gotto ask you this - why don't this "Daffeh"
> > >> >> fellow subscribe himself
> > >> >> and supply his fans his "intellectual writings? I
> > >> >> ask because i'm yet to
> > >> >> see one originating email address from all the
> > >> >> forwards that you've put
> > >> >> out here, which makes me wonder...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks
> > >> >> Saul
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > [ This e-mail is posted to Gambia|Post e-Gathering
> > >> >> by saihou Mballow
> > >> >> > <[log in to unmask]> ]
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > DISCLAIMER: THIS ARTICLE WAS WRITTEN BY SS DAFFEH
> > >> >> AND
> > >> >> > AM FORWARDING IT FOR THE INTEREST OF MANY PEOPLE
> > >> >> WHO
> > >> >> > EXPRESSED INTEREST IN READING MR DAFFEH'S
> > >> >> INTELLECTUAL
> > >> >> > WRITINGS.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >                                            IN
> > >> >> RESPONSE
> > >> >> > TO Dr SAINE
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Mr Editor,
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Please allow me space in your well-established
> > >> >> medium
> > >> >> > to respond to Dr Abdoulaye Saine�s article of 3rd
> > >> >> > February 2006.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Dr Saine, in your article, you asked why Lawyer
> > >> >> > Ousainu Darboe did not make the case for
> > >> >> concession
> > >> >> > from NADD based on the fact that of all the
> > >> >> > constituent parties the UDP polled the largest
> > >> >> vote in
> > >> >> > 2001. Well, I am not in a position to answer that
> > >> >> > question because I am neither a Lawyer Darboe
> > >> >> > spokesperson nor a UDP insider, but I must say I
> > >> >> am
> > >> >> > very surprised you asked the question in the first
> > >> >> > place. On the 25th of January 2006, you wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > �Darboe tried in 1996 and 2001 and could not
> > >> >> dislodge
> > >> >> > Jammeh. It is time for another candidate to give
> > >> >> it a
> > >> >> > try. This is partly because the political
> > >> >> landscape of
> > >> >> > 2001 and 20006 are very different and the later
> > >> >> may
> > >> >> > require a different strategy and candidate.�
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > If you can say the above, why do you now consider
> > >> >> it
> > >> >> > vital that the UDP should have made a case on the
> > >> >> > basis of their previous electoral record? Is this
> > >> >> not
> > >> >> > a complete sheer hypocrisy? By saying that 2006
> > >> >> > requires a different candidate, you have openly
> > >> >> > excluded Lawyer Darboe from the race. The only
> > >> >> reason
> > >> >> > you said this was because it reflects the position
> > >> >> of
> > >> >> > your associates within NADD. More so, you said
> > >> >> this to
> > >> >> > promote the vicious conspiracy theory of the
> > >> >> Walter
> > >> >> > Mitty Lamin Waa Juwara. This statement is an open
> > >> >> > manifestation of your utter contempt for Mr Darboe
> > >> >> and
> > >> >> > the UDP. You have a hidden agenda Doc, and it is
> > >> >> to
> > >> >> > help Juwara to propel Mr Darboe to the back seat
> > >> >> of
> > >> >> > the political spectrum. Now that you awfully
> > >> >> failed,
> > >> >> > you are trying to save your face by being
> > >> >> > conciliatory. How many times did Presidents
> > >> >> Abdoulaye
> > >> >> > Wade and Moi Kebake of Senegal and Kenya
> > >> >> respectively,
> > >> >> > tried before they finally succeed? Give us a break
> > >> >> > Doc. You and the STGDP have used your positions
> > >> >> both
> > >> >> > pecuniary and as facilitators to blackmail Mr
> > >> >> Darboe
> > >> >> > and the UDP. Unfortunately for you, they did not
> > >> >> > succumb. The only thing you achieved as a result
> > >> >> was
> > >> >> > the creation of hatred and suspicion among
> > >> >> individual
> > >> >> > members of NADD Executive, the by-product of which
> > >> >> is
> > >> >> > the present chaos. It is people like you who are
> > >> >> > responsible for NADD�s disintegration, not Mr
> > >> >> Darboe�s
> > >> >> > resignation. After all, he is not indispensable,
> > >> >> for
> > >> >> > no one is. How dear you try to pass the bug, Doc.
> > >> >> We
> > >> >> > have seen the successes of the Sopii and the
> > >> >> Rainbow
> > >> >> > Coalitions of Senegal and Kenya respectively.
> > >> >> Behind
> > >> >> > their successes was the appreciation of the
> > >> >> existing
> > >> >> > political realities including the strength of
> > >> >> their
> > >> >> > component parties. This was what was lacking in
> > >> >> NADD,
> > >> >> > and you [Dr Abdoulaye Saine] and your cohorts are
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> > ones responsible. You tried to down play the
> > >> >> electoral
> > >> >> > strength of the UDP and yet you don�t want them to
> > >> >> > pullout. Do you think they lack conscience? May
> > >> >> you
> > >> >> > remain a wishful thinker in perpetuity.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > You also asked whether the Memorandum of
> > >> >> Understanding
> > >> >> > was so blatantly biased against the UDP that it
> > >> >> could
> > >> >> > not be salvaged through negotiation. What a
> > >> >> > conciliatory tone. Have you got any regrets Doc?
> > >> >> With
> > >> >> > hindsight, I think you should because you are one
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> > people who created the mess. The UDP never cried
> > >> >> any
> > >> >> > foul in relation to the content of the MOU. It was
> > >> >> you
> > >> >> > and your associates in NADD Executive, Lamin Waa
> > >> >> > Juwara in particular, who were manipulatively
> > >> >> > misinterpreting the MOU, with intent, in order to
> > >> >> > promote your vicious and flirty conspiracy against
> > >> >> Mr
> > >> >> > Darboe and the UDP. Again on the 25th of January
> > >> >> 2006,
> > >> >> > you wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > �The ongoing political furor over OJ selection as
> > >> >> the
> > >> >> > presidential candidate for the 2006 presidential
> > >> >> > election and not Ousainu Darboe by NADD Executive
> > >> >> > cannot be contested on grounds of OJ�s
> > >> >> electability.
> > >> >> > This is a flawed argument that undermines the very
> > >> >> > democratic process that sought to engender and
> > >> >> agreed
> > >> >> > to by all parties. Flawed as the MOU is, Darboe
> > >> >> and
> > >> >> > all the presidential aspirants accepted the ground
> > >> >> > rules heading into the meeting that selected OJ.�
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > This was a deceitful and manipulative
> > >> >> interpretation
> > >> >> > with intent, of the MOU. PART 111 [8] of the MOU
> > >> >> > states: �The selection of a candidate of the
> > >> >> alliance
> > >> >> > for the presidential, National Assembly and
> > >> >> Council
> > >> >> > elections shall be done by consensus; provided
> > >> >> that in
> > >> >> > the event of impasse selection shall be done by
> > >> >> > holding a primary election restricted to party
> > >> >> > delegates on the basis of equal number of
> > >> >> delegates,
> > >> >> > comprising the chairman, chairwoman and youth
> > >> >> leader
> > >> >> > of each party from each village/ward in a
> > >> >> > constituency.� PART 1V [12] further states: �All
> > >> >> > agreements and decisions shall be authenticated by
> > >> >> > appending the signatures of all the
> > >> >> representatives
> > >> >> > associated with a given committee of the alliance.
> > >> >> All
> > >> >> > pages of any agreement of the Alliance shall
> > >> >> contain
> > >> >> > the initials of the signatories to be deemed as
> > >> >> > authentic.�
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> > === message truncated ===
> > >> >
> > >> >
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