Well that's why I joined. Thanks for educating me and yes I am very
familiar with and against forced sterilization.
Case wrote a song about his summer experience where he did feel
discrimination for the first time. I was unaware of this until
recently. And we got permission to write and read the list again from
his dad. I pick out things I think he will be interested in. He has
expressed to me he misses you guys (I've always used that as meaning
both sexes, hope it does not offend) I am traveling for the next
month after next week but we will say hello to you guys occasionally.
I've been on a lot of lists and love this one, the politics, the camaraderie.
At 07:34 AM 10/26/2007, you wrote:
>Linda,
>
>There are other "risks" that people with disabilities have long been either
>denied the right to participate in, or at least strongly discouraged from
>doing. I hope by the time Case is old enough to get married or start a
>family, they won't be an issue, but as of today they are. With the work
>you've done with abused women, I'm sure you're familiar with the forced
>sterilization of people (mostly women) with disabilities that was done to
>eliminate that "risk." When Janet and I were trying to start a family, we
>encountered some family members and professionals who either actively
>discouraged us, or asked questions that made it apparent that they were
>opposed to the idea.
>
> I think the term "risk" is used to "push the envelope." "Full
>participation," to me, seems too mild for someone who wants to go whitewater
>rafting or skydiving. My sister considers full participation to be sitting
>in the ski lodge with a "Hot Schnaclate" (Hot chocolate and Schnapps), while
>I'd much rather be out on the slopes, and if I turn the bi-ski over during
>the day once, I feel like I'm testing the limits of my abilities.
>
>
>On 10/25/07, Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > Agreed. I think what they are doing is great but the choice of
> > wording maybe not the best - I don't know full participation or
> > something but risk well it kinda sets me off - It's one of my peeves
> > - people who don't consider how their risky behavior affects others.
> > I am all for people with disabilities participating as fully as
> > possible. As you know here in Hawaii we are helping to get everyone
> > into more water sports to enjoy the ocean. I do not consider that
> > risky behavior, just good fun with proper safeguards.
> > By the way Case and I finally convinced his dad that it's ok to write
> > the CP list occasionally so now I can share what you guys think with
> > him, not everything but some stuff. He thinks a lot about what it is
> > going to be like to be a grown up and have a family and both of us
> > like the list a lot even tho I sometimes don't read it when I am
> > overwhelmed with work like now.
> >
> > At 12:22 PM 10/25/2007, you wrote:
> > >Linda et al,
> > >
> > >The risk taking outlined in "Right to Risk" doesn't seem to me to be the
> > >extreme variety seen by motorcycle riders without helmets, or even
> > skydivers
> > >or hang gliders. From what I read on the site, it's about people with
> > >disabilities being given the opportunity to participate in activities
> > many
> > >non-disabled people would consider tame.
> > >
> > >When I first started working in the disabilities field (nearly 20 years
> > ago)
> > >one of the concepts that we reinforced for the people we served was the
> > >"Dignity of Risk." This didn't mean doing things that were inherently
> > >dangerous, or doing things without the appropriate safeguards in place
> > >(helmets, life jackets, backup parachutes), but it did entail allowing
> > >people with disabilities to participate fully in life, even if it meant
> > >participating in an activity (whitewater rafting, skydiving, etc.) that
> > >others might consider "risky."
> > >
> > >While I agree that the money spent to treat and rehabilitate people who
> > >unneccessarily put themselves at risk by not using appropriate protective
> > >equipment could be better spent, I don't think that the rights of people
> > to
> > >participate in these activities *with appropriate safeguards,* should be
> > >limited. Here's a link or three on "Dignity of Risk."
> > >
> > >http://members.tripod.com/~imaware/dignity.html
> > >
> > >http://tcds.edb.utexas.edu/TSDPT/T%20Nerney%20Handouts.htm
> > >
> > >http://www.diligio.com/dignity_of_risk.htm
> > >
> > >The "Teachings of Jon" looks like a good piece, but I'm kind of afraid it
> > >might be too "Shmaltzy" for lack of a better word. For people who are
> > >unfamiliar with what people with disabilities can accomplish, it might be
> > >OK, though.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > At 08:25 AM 10/24/2007, you wrote:
> > > > >Hi yawl!
> > > > >
> > > > >Hey check out these to films. I think this will be some great
> > > > >TV!! I cant find the days-times for these, but I think they're
> > > > >on PBS sometime tonight Wednesday.
> > > > >
> > > > >See ya-Gary
> > > > >
> > > > >http://www.righttorisk.org/
> > > > >
> > > > >http://www.teachingsofjon.com/
> > > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Kendall
> > > >
> > > > An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
> > > >
> > > > The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
> > > > persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all
> > progress
> > > > depends on the unreasonable man.
> > > >
> > > > -George Bernard Shaw 1856-1950
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>Kendall
>
>An unreasonable man (but my wife says that's redundant!)
>
>The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one
>persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore, all progress
>depends on the unreasonable man.
>
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