Jow ,thanks for the forward. i thank mr Sallah for his time in clarifying the topic at hand .i am grateful for the explanation and i hope many on the l list would be .my salam always.
suntou.
pasamba jow <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
This is a reply to Suntou from Halifa Sallah.
Jow,
Interesting !! can you forward this message to Suntu either in private or through the L as you think proper
Halifa
My dear Suntu,
You appear to be a man of conscience and religion is basically about faith and conscience. Stand firm on your own moral ground and seek for inspiration that is capable of moving you further towards your better self. I will share my thoughts on the subject in a constructive and inspiring way when time permits. However, I would like to inform you that farmers in Wuli are more enlightened on the subject of PDOIS and religion than the people you are alluding to. The danger for PDOIS has not been the allegation you mentioned. Our approach to civic education had led people to say that we were preachers on a moral crusade rather than politicians seeking political office.
I admit that at the beginning some people in the PPP did try to associate PDOIS with the aim to destroy mosques and put an end to marriage life .We used to share hearty laughter with the farmers when we asked them to quantify the number of Muslims and married couples in the country and then reason whether few PDOIS leaders, who want to win a subsequent election, would be capable of using force to destroy all the mosques and churches and dissolve all marriages in the Gambia and still turn to the people again to seek their mandate to rule.
We also used to ask where PDOIS will get the security men without faith and loved ones to impose the dictatorship of the unmarried and the faithless on those who have faith and marital partners in a society which claims to be 95 per cent Muslims and 4 per cent Christians. In all cases, the farmers would become impatient with such ridiculous allegations and urge us to go on with our sensitisation and forget what they often describe as foolish comments. I assure you that when I have the time to clarify issues your inspiration will increase a thousand fold.
I want to assure you that PDOIS is not misunderstood. PDOIS’s messages are in booklets and cassettes and the fact that some of us refuse to accept posts in a government taken by force does not make our practice reconcilable with any Patriarchal or despotic regime. What never cease to amaze me is that most Gambians subscribe to the view that the country should have a multi party political system yet few take the time to study and compare the principles, policies, programmes and practices of the different parties to make informed choices. Most of our people find themselves sleeping on grass mattresses infected with lice and bed bugs and sharing water with the larvae. They wear tattered clothes and shoes. Many of us are still proud to carry Avian water bottles to the countryside for fear that drinking water from the jars will lead to all sorts of infections. The way forward to put and end to this state of destitution, degradation and ignorance should occupy the minds of
Gambians whenever we meet. What political parties say and do to address the deficit in liberty and prosperity in the country should constitute meaningful political discourse.
Halifa
Joe Sambou wrote:
Hey, you know what I said, so you can act the fool you are. You folks cannot do your dirty deeds in the dark and come here to pretend you want a progressive Gambia. Why don't you tell Gambians of your role behind the scenes? As I write, you and you cohorts both on the ground and in the diaspora are scheming to con folks? You run around scheming about unity when you are still pushing your tribal agenda. Your group on the ground talked about unity this and that, who are you uniting with? You took advantage of the rift in NDAM and all of a sudden there is unity. This discussion was to address Sontou's comments regarding the intellectual opinion of PDOIS amongst other things, but I will also address your type in the process. The same folks at the Post are right here, Rashidiki, so, let it rip.
Chi Jaama
Joe
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 03:56:20 -0400> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: WHY IS PDOIS OR NADD MISUNDERSTOOD> To: [log in to unmask]> > "Very very briefly, the reason why Gambians, the so-called intellectuals in > particular, are afraid of a PDOIS anything, is the fear that the "Fat" called > "Political Patronage" will be melted away and replaced by merit." Joe Sambou> > Replaced with.> > "Those that believe in the principle of merit have nothing to fear such a > future." Joe Sambou.> > Those who. > > "For almost half a century, our politics has been a patron-client > relationship affair" Joe Sambou.> > Patrons are generally the clients. In politics as in life, the politician's > clients are the governed. Does PDOIS the political party have any clients??? I > guess not yet. It may be a good idea to pretend you have clients-in-waiting. > Not a bad idea. A relationship is an affair. But this may have been > inadvertent tautology. Being an accounting clerk you
must appreciate such > relationships.> > "and not based on merit, but Tribal affair, Religious Affair, sycophancy > affair." Joe Sambou.> > Choosing a leader or governing party can never be based on merit. It can > only be based on perceived worth and value. That charity is based on a myriad > calculus and one of them necessarily is Religious consideration. Another is > tribal consideration. Another is physical and or mental prowess. Yet another is > mere fancy. Does PDOIS have any of these to offer. I understand the party is > undergoing a revamping of sorts. Please consider human qualities for it is > humans you aim to govern.> > "For Thirty Years did PPP have a news anything, aside from the national > media?" Joe Sambou.> > We don't understand this. It doesn't make sense.> > "Let's not even start talking about building anything to uplift the mind." > Joe Sambou.> > Good. Cos you don't know much about uplifting the mind. Picking through > detritus maybe.> > "The same ole
thing the APRC is engaged in, in addition to tortures, illegal > detentions, murders, and massive corruption." Joe Sambou.> > I don't think you made yourself clear here Joe.> > "You look at the NCP, GPP, Che Yasin's outfit, UDP, NDAM, NRP, what do they > offer Gambians aside of who they are in relation to ethnic affiliations," Joe > Sambou.> > Where were you when they shared what they could offer the Gambians who voted > for them?? Oh I forget, at PDOIS. You were not in their audience so you will > be forgiven for not getting it.> > "and in the case of Che Yassin, "I am learned"?" Joe Sambou.> > Well at least he's learned. Why would you hate the man for being learned? He > was also cultured.> > "Do they have a center where Gambians can dialogue with them when there are > no elections around?" Joe Sambou.> > Yes. The entire territory of Gambia. This is one area where PDOIS may have > squandered otherwise valuable funds. Why would you feel the urge to constrict > public
discourse to the confines of a center. And then call it the center for > education and civic indoctrination?> > "How about a news outlet?" Joe Sambou.> > You mean a propaganda outfit? I imagine news is broadcast over the radio, > TV, and public or private news outlets. Why would a political party feign > broadcaster outside of electoral campaign? Does PDOIS know whether it is a > political party, vying for political office???? It may be time to separate the wheat > from the chaff.> > "Or a soup kitchen?" Joe Sambou.> > You mean Alphabet soup? This is one area of gross negligence and dishonesty. > PDOIS takes advantage of folks' conditions to ingratiate themselves. When > APRC or PPP gives folk bags of rice and or sugar, you go crying foul. Is this > not the height of corruption and coercion???> > "And so, the so-called intellectuals are just that and are no different from > those that currently populate the APRC and who mooched off the PPP, just > like handkerchief head
Taal, Thomasi, Sanneh, et al." Joe Sambou.> > Those who. Stop hatin for no reason. You're only Joe the loud-mouth. Funny > thing is not much comes out.> I guess they have to be called something by someone. That will reamain your > opinion though Joe.> > "Those same so-called intellectuals are aspirants to sycophancy to a future > government that is not PDOIS." Joe Sambou.> > I don't think they consider PDOIS in their decision-making. You know they > are intellectuals. With this attitude, PDOIS may never see the light of day > again.> > "The trump card for most political parties in the Gambia is tribal." Joe > Sambou.> > Whatever.> > "PDOIS does not engage in tribal anything," Joe Sambou.> > We can verify that if we were interested. Shhhh!!> > "thus you see Mandinkas, Fulas, Jolas, Sarahulehs, Njagos, etc., visit them > for counsel for their day-to-day battles with realities." Joe Sambou.> > You get what you pay for. I guess PDOIS is now a counselling outfit. Chei!> > "They
run centers for adult education that Gambians benefit from regardless > of ethnicity of religious affiliation." Joe Sambou.> > Yeah right. I'd like to be a fly on the walls of these education dungeons. I > suppose you are a prima facie case of a PDOIS education. Hehehehe!!!> > "They provide scholarships to poor students on the basis of need and anyone > can obtain such a list to see for themselves." Joe Sambou.> > Again if we are interested in such, we will check it out. The Jammeh > foundation also has issued scholarships to poor students on the basis of need and > you can verify that for yourself. DO you see anything insiduous in a politician > vying for public office issuing scholarships to the needy??? You just don't > get it do you??? PDOIS wants so badly to lead Gambia, they'll flip > sommersaults to get there. They can't get it through votes. > > "The funds used are also transparent and it comes from Gambians like you and > I and legitimately." Joe Sambou.> > Can
you name one person who is not a PDOIS sympathiser and is aiding and > abetting this coercion and clamoring for sympathy votes? I can't hear you.> > "They are not funded by Russia," Joe Sambou.> > Yes Russia is moving toward capitalism and away from communism. They learned > their lessons.> > "Cuba," Joe Sambou.> > Cuba only gives in kind and where her interests are furthered. With APRC in > power, you must think cubans are idiots to fool around with PDOIS.> > "or China," Joe Sambou.> > Ditto. (Likewise for China).> > "but by Gambians and in addition to their own meager salaries." Joe Sambou.> > Hah????> > "Thus, the code behind Gambians' talk of PDOIS cannot lead Gambia, is just > that." Joe Sambou.> > OK. But can you share PDOIS' value to Gambians or Gambia?> > "Even the griots in various ethnic groups are in this act with complains of > "Nyom Danu Wowe Lohor".> > In our culture, griots are griots and they will always be griots. It is a > magnificent apprenticeship
program. You are doing pretty good at it yourself. > And you're PDOIS-taught.> > "Certainly, the religious dealerships we have a bound benefit tremendously > to the detriment of their congregation, through collusion with the powers that > be, whether legitimate or illegitimate." Joe Sambou.> > Just as the accounting dealerships. And political dealerships.> > "Certainly, Imams Kah and Fatty know the difference between PDOIS and the > APRC, and that is the size of their wallet." Joe Sambou.> > What are you gonna do about it??? That is Kah and Fatty's prerogatives. I > don't even think Kah or fatty consider PDOIS their comparisons and circumstance.> > "That individualism to the detriment of the community is the reason why > Gambia had a PPP for thirty years and Yaya for thirteen and counting, and if we > keep at it for another half a century and counting." Joe Sambou.> > And after Yahya's century, should PDOIS finally ascend to the throne, they > might be the worst of the
three. They are already ashamed of their communist > platform cloaked in social democracy. Why should Gambians give PDOIS the > benefit of doubt given their dubious activities???> > "Thus, we are not remotely ready for prime time." Joe Sambou.> > You like the limelight don't you??? Prime time my foot. PDOIS should get rid > of such dead weight. I forget, you are PDOIS. Hehehe!! Hohohoho!> > Haruna.> > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour> > ¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤¤> To unsubscribe/subscribe or view archives of postings, go to the Gambia-L Web interface> at: http://listserv.icors.org/archives/gambia-l.html> > To Search in the Gambia-L archives, go to: http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?S1=gambia-l> To contact the List Management, please send an e-mail to:> [log in to unmask]>
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