Hi Kathy, I was going to ask you about Matt. It is to bad he is at that state right now. Father in Heaven please touch Matt and give him some abition and a vision or dream. Thank you Father. In your Precious Name I pray Amen.
I know when I was in that state I had a very low self esteem and did not care about anything. I have been filling that way lately since loosing my job, house, and everything else. But, what keeps me going is I know God is in control and has a plan. I just wish I had a clue of what it is.
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I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is
IN GOD WE TRUST
Karen Carter '74
-KC- Ministries
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From: Kathy Du Bois <[log in to unmask]>
> Brad,
> My jaw is dropping as I read this! Are you sure that you are dealing
> with your son and not my son Matthew! We've just had to lower the
> boom on the boy! He's actually content to just lay around watching
> anime and going to his dish washing job. We did start charging him
> rent finally last October and once he got his drivers license he had
> to start paying his part of the car insurance as well and we really
> rag him about continuing to pay off his debt to Calvin or I'm afraid
> that he'd ignore it. We've finally let him know that when that debt
> is payed off, he'd better be planning his next step or I'm sure he'd
> be very happy to just hang around here and vegetate and Greg and I
> refuse to support it! He has no drive, no ambition, no dream and
> he's almost 20. True, he's a good kid. ?We get along with him
> pretty well and he doesn't cause the emotional turmoil that Chris
> did, but still, I want to be done with the hands on parenting of this
> guy and begin to watch him fly! You do learn a lot about God from
> parenting, don't you.
> Kathy
>
>
> At 07:57 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote:
> >Ned,
> >
> >You, in my opinion, have that exact. We are predestined, predestined to
> >freewill and to have opportunity to choose his sacrifice in Christ. I have
> >yet another example, and then I promise y'all I'll take a week off from
> >posting to give your ears a break hahaha. My son is having some challenges
> >with finances, finding a plan for his future and is sort of dwindling his
> >off time away messing around with the guys, and his money as well. He makes
> >plenty good money but yet winds up with love notes from the bank entitled
> >insufficient fund notice. Long before he graduated, he was told he needed
> >to have a plan for his life. Was he going to school? Saving for a down
> >payment on a house? Whatever it was, it was meant to be a plan to better
> >his life rather than just hang out with the boys, for him to stay at our
> >home and have free laundry, food, heat, sleep and etc. He hadn't done much,
> >and in August I had another little talk with him, and of course there's
> >talk and ideas floating around. We gave him to February as an extension as
> >he had planned on getting an apartment with a buddy of his. Well guess
> >what? February is basically here and he is in no shape to get an apartment
> >nor have activity in that direction. He is talking about possibility of
> >school now that the deadline is approaching and he knows something will
> >likely happen. But I don't think he thinks we'll go through with charging
> >him rentt. Now The rule is, either he finds a betterment of his life, a
> >plan to go to school and etc. where he has valid need of a helping hand, or
> >he finds his own place as I won't be an enabler to his just hanging out
> >with the guys and doing nothing. If he didn't come up with a plan , he'd
> >have to either move out or pay rent here. Did I know it would come to this
> >here in February? I was about 95% sure based off history and efforts to
> >combat it on his part. Is it my fault that he'll either have to pay rent
> >here or somewhere else and further his financial burden? No. It really
> >breaks my heart to have to put it to him as such, especially if he is
> >feeling financial pressure from the bank but it is unnecessary and it won't
> >get better by my giving more breaks. I really dread having to go through
> >with our promise, but I have to. So is it with us and God I guess. He knows
> >what might happen as Ned said, but that doesn't make him an accomplice to
> >the situation just because he has the power to correct it, and his heart
> >likely breaks too. So perhaps in our situations, all we can do is look for
> >that correction and draw closer to him. My daughter is leaving for Europe
> >for three months for a traveling class for her second semester as Junior
> >in college and I don't want any tension before she leaves so I'm putting
> >off having a very real and likely sobering reality check with my son as to
> >not give her worry. My son is a good kid, has had his challenges in the
> >past but overall a great kid, just a bit lost. Yet I offer he will not
> >accept my advice or help. I bailed him out of a situation as well the bank
> >forgone some draft charges, and perhaps he has done some work I don't know
> >about, that is possible, but for his own preparation for his future and
> >strength. He will be faced very soon with a rent bill and possibly his own
> >insurance policy if he does not make good on his portion to us for his car.
> >The way I see it he has almost $1000 giver or take a hundred or two
> >depending on his checks to do whatever he wants with, but he won't eat at
> >home, he eats out, does the pizza thing with the guys and etc. I'll be
> >honest, as good a kid as he is, I have one brow raised as to where else the
> >bucks could be going and watching for that too, but he's been down that
> >road and got the dung scared out of him, as well a friend of his, two
> >actually. So I'm doubtful, but he is a follower, not a leader as he once
> >was. Anyway, just as I have made the rules of our house to both my kids,
> >they are welcome to stay here rent free, eat and use the facilities
> >without charge as long as you are bettering your plan for your future. My
> >daughter took us up, my son is stalling and yet using the facilities, and
> >coming up short with time and now money he owes us each month. So it is by
> >the words already spoken and committed to by us as parents that he chooses
> >his own future possibilities under our roof here and so it is with god and us.
> >
> >Brad
> >
> >
> >At 01:43 PM 1/24/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Brad,
> > >I agree that there are many things in God's word that are perplexing. But,
> > >"by faith" we accept it knowing that He is faithful and cannot lie.
> > >We have done a study at church about predestination and free will. One of
> > >the things that seems to be a stumbling point for many is the fact that God
> > >is omniscient (all knowing) which means He knows everything. God is not,
> > >like us, limited by time nor space. From where He sits (figurative speech)
> > >He can see the past, present and future all in a glance. The question then
> > >is--if God's knows everything before hand does that mean He is responsible
> > >for it happening? Does His knowing of an event make Him the cause of the
> > >event? I think not. If we were predestined, as some teach, none of us would
> > >have a choice in our salvation. Because God knows who will accept and serve
> > >Him does not mean we have no choice in the matter. In Romans 8 V29 it says,
> > >
> > >"or those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness
> > >of his
> > >Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.
> > >We are predestined to conform to Jesus for He is the way, the truth and the
> > >Life. There are many other Scriptures where it talks about predestination
> > >and foreknowledge. We know for a certainty by many verses in the Bible that
> > >God intedns that if anyone is to be saved, he must accept and obey Jesus.
> > >There is no other way. The fact that God knows who will accept Jesus does
> > >not make Him the cause.
> > >It is a difficult subject and I haven't but scratched the surface. There
> > >are many questions that we can aks and one day we will understand it all.
> > >
> > >Ned
> > >" 30
> >
> >Brad
> >
> > People want to see a move of God, while God wants to see a move of people
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