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Nothing like a sister on your case lol or a couple in this case. OK OK OK 
OK already hahaha I'll do some thinking on your points. If Angel can refer 
to Scrooge, is it legal for me to find a MASH reference hahahahaha. Yes you 
and Angel present food for thought. I just  don't like to beat around the 
bush with mysterious questions, and yet I know unless he bonks me on the 
head down to my heart  or I read it in his word I may not know answers as 
such. I feel like a mouse looking for the cheese while the heavenlys 
are  watching with hand over mouths snickering in some places and in others 
covering their eyes breathing in deep through their teeth waiting for the 
crash. Perhaps rather than "windging" about it as an Aussie might say, I 
ought  pray, dig in and find out the answers eh? Who'd a thunk it.

Brad


At 01:37 PM 1/24/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey Brad,H
>Have you ever wondered how many of the people who were healed by
>Jesus were also yelling, "crucify Him," at the trial?  We would
>assume that none of them would be and that they would be grateful for
>the blessing, yet none of them testified for Him at His trumpt up
>trial.  I think about the ten lepers and wonder why only one came
>back to say thank you.  I wonder how many of our common day
>experiences are really blessings that we just don't see?  Do the
>starving pray for food the way we pray for healing?  Do they say,
>"Lord, if I just had something to eat, I would give you the
>glory!"  I guess that any form of suffering could be substituted for
>that example.  It is worth considering though, isn't it?
>Kathy
>
>At 01:00 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote:
> >Perhaps, yet those very folks he supposedly witnessed to watched him hobble
> >off yet lame. Which gives witness to the fact he was one of those left
> >behind and not healed. God is soverign and obviously just and righteous,
> >and it is I, if I don't understand, the one in need of a change, but I
> >don't see how plattitudes are justification. God's will shown by his word
> >does not show me his wish is for man to be afflicted. If so he'd have layed
> >hands on them, prayed, and said go about your way giving glory to God all
> >your lame days. But he didn't. Neither had the disciples after Jesus was
> >cruicified. We see those who believed he was Christ be healed and we see
> >those who hadn't a clue be healed. The blind guy along the road side cried
> >out to Christ as Lord, he knew Christ, already a bleiver giving glory to
> >God, , yet Christ did heal him. So we really do have this "Elephant" in the
> >living room even here to some degree. I understand too that everyone has a
> >threshold of tolerance in continuing to ask such questions, it isn't the
> >first time I've been called stubborn hahahah. I just like to know squarely
> >where things sit. Ever get someone to say to you...
> >
> >"Oh I've got something umm rather important to talk to you about next we
> >meet? OK. Bye now!"
> >
> >It is like "Wait wait wait get back here! Don't leave me hanging in mystery
> >land, let's get this out now and eal with it and move on. "
> >
> >Brad
> >
> >
> >At 12:30 PM 1/24/2006 -0800, you wrote:
> > >in the Christmas Carroll Tiny Tim said it best.  When he came home 
> from the
> > >Christmas eve service he said he was glad to be a cripple because when the
> > >whole people saw him they were more likely to remember the one who 
> made lame
> > >men walk and the blind to see.  I, of course, am paraphrasing here.
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: MV <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:56 PM
> > >Subject: Re: Biblical question
> > >
> > >
> > > > A couple definitions and then a comment.
> > > >
> > > > Old Testament:7623
> > > > shabach (shaw-bakh'); a primitive root; properly, to address in a loud
> > > > tone, i.e. (specifically) loud; figuratively, to pacify (as if by 
> words):
> > > >
> > > > KJV - commend, glory, keep in, praise, still, triumph.
> > > >
> > > > New Testament:1391
> > > > doxa (dox'-ah); from the base of NT:1380; glory (as very apparent), 
> in a
> > > > wide application (literal or figurative, objective or subjective):
> > > >
> > > > KJV - dignity, glory (-ious), honour, praise, worship.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This scripture comes to mind...
> > > >
> > > > John 9:1-3
> > > > As He passed by, He saw a man blind from birth.
> > > > 2 And His disciples asked Him, "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his
> > >parents,
> > > > that he would be born blind?"
> > > > 3 Jesus answered, "It was neither that this man sinned, nor his 
> parents;
> > > > but it was so that the works of God might be displayed in him.
> > > >
> > > > Of course he was subsequently healed and all in the community 
> noticed he
> > > > now could see and gave credit to Christ, who of course gave credit 
> to all
> > > > he did and was to the Father.
> > > >
> > > > I think we naturally look for "glory of God" in situations as being the
> > > > healing so that others can easily see God's hand and honor and 
> power and
> > > > etc. I suppose it could be said as well that we can also see the 
> glory of
> > > > God in even our situation not yet healed and how we still trust and
> > >believe
> > > > and etc., however I myself , though I do trust and have faith, tend to
> > > > shirk from considering "blindness" as a glorification of God. Not 
> because
> > >I
> > > > don't want to give glorification, but I have yet to see 
> glorification to
> > > > God of my blindness in the witness of on lookers. But then, my life 
> isn't
> > > > for onlookers to view as a side show either, and what glory I
> > can give God
> > > > from my life as it is, is wonderful and privilege to be a part of that.
> > >I'm
> > > > not sure God gets honor and etc. from my blindness, or from anyone's
> > > > sickness. If there were glory to be found in illness and disease
> > > > themselves, there'd be more of it and Jesus wouldn't have felt the
> > > > compassion he did towards those who suffered as such. It isn't easy to
> > > > understand is it. I assume this has something to do with the young lady
> > > > Christian and Focus on the Family?
> > > >
> > > > Brad
> >
> >Brad
> >
> >    Inside an acorn lies an entire forest

Brad

   Man's way leads to a hopeless end, God's way leads to an  endless hope

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