OH Man, Vinny,
You are so right!  When it comes to David's parenting, now there was 
a guy with his head in the sand.  He was definitely one of those 
overly artistic types who were happy just playing the harp and being 
creative and letting the mothers work it out!  When I was in college, 
it was so easy to pick out the overly artistic types!  they were just 
so in a world all their own!  You are right though also when you 
point out that David is not remembered for his failures, but by what 
the artistic ability that God gave him produced.
Kathy


At 10:38 AM 1/23/2006, you wrote:
>Kathy,You talk about bad parenting, then there was David.  When I was living
>near the U.S. Border in Ontario for 8 months a few years ago, I heard either
>Chuck Swindoll, or David Jeremiah do a whole series about parenting, they
>talked about David.  That whole situation about Amonon and absolom
>What a mess.
>Notice, that none of that gets remembered about David.  He is a man
>aafterGod's own heart.   later on in the New Testament.
>Going off on a bit of a tangent, Did you ever notice in the Geniologies in
>Matthew, that it  says: " (mat. 1-6) And David begat Solomon of her that had
>been the wife of Uriah.  It was like he couldn't mention her Bathsheba's
>name.  God was kind of saying In my interepretation, "ouch."
>
>Just my opinion.
>Nevertheless, Though David and Jacob messed up, He doesn't remember that
>anymore.  But The lessons of the Word will always speak to us.  One of the
>most important scriptures in the New Testament is in 1 Cor 10-11, referring
>back to the first ten verses of that chapter, "now all these things happened
>unto them for ensamples; and they are written for our admonition, upon whom
>the ends of the world are come.
>Vinny
>  ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 7:55 AM
>Subject: Poor Reuben
>
>
> > Hey, while you guys are talking about the contributions of Judah and
> > Leah, as I have been re-reading the same story, my heart has gone out
> > to Reuben, for the first time.  When you think about it, that guy
> > really got a raw deal.  I mean, think about it!  He was the first
> > born.  He should have received the blessing, the birth right and up
> > to half of the inheritance, according to Eastern custom.  But, Jacob
> > didn't really like his mother so he ignored the boy.  I suppose that
> > Reuben was a teenager when he decided to get it on with Bilhah, but
> > chances are, that could have been an act of desperation, and
> > frustration on his part.  It was kind of an, in your face, I'm a man
> > now too, sort of thing.   Maybe a kind of "peeing on the father's
> > turf," kind of challenge.  Chris went through that kind of an
> > attitude a lot with us.  Not  toward me necessarily, I just mean that
> > pack mentality attitude  of challenging the leader.  Some boys are
> > just like that.   Then, as he gets older, he is the first brother to
> > plead for Joseph's life and is secretly hoping to be able to sneak
> > Joseph back to Jacob and come off as a hero so that, maybe Jacob will
> > finally notice him and love him and recognize him as a person, but
> > no, that is not to be.  Then, in the end, he gets nothing.  Jacob
> > won't even acknowledge him on his death bed except to say, you
> > screwed up and I'll never forgive you for it, even with one foot in
> > the grave.  Reuben must have ended up a very bitter person.  He had
> > to suck up to his little brother just  to stay alive.  Jacob was
> > really a lousy parent, you know that?  Incredible.  I'll say one
> > thing for the bible, it doesn't hide the truth!
> > Kathy
> >