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The classic book on this is Spicer's Cycles of Conquest. Interesting name,
reflecting a certain orientation toward violence and conquest. The ancient
Indo-Europeans were supposed to have spread their languages through
conquest, too, but the latest view is that it was through agricultural
expansion.
Food dominates!
Pat Barrett [log in to unmask] - whose doctor predicted he'd never get his
b/p down by diet alone. Hah!
http://ideas.lang-learn.us/barrett.php
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kathryn Rosenthal" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 2:03 PM
Subject: S. NM Apache & S. NM diet
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pat Barrett" <[log in to unmask]>
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>> Thanks, Kath. Totally fascinating post, esp the barter part.
>> In 1979 I attended a conference on Native American nutrition and one
>> thing pointed out was that a lot of nutrients came from the ash from the
>> cooking fire floating up and then falling into the food. Also, the
>> minerals from the grinding stones and other stone paraphernalia
>> contributed.
>>
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> Thanks, Pat. I never heard or thought about nutrients from ash or
> minerals from grinding stones. Most interesting. I have a close friend
> who inherited several very old grinding stones that were found out in the
> desert in what is now White Sands Missile Range. The stones were most
> likely from Mogollan peoples. She's going to donate them to the Apache
> museum in Mescalero the next time we get up there.
>
> I attended a "Full Moon" lecture at White Sands Monument last night....we
> drove in the dark about 20 minutes beyond the monument, snaking through
> white dunes where many movies have been filmed (outer space flics). The
> moon was enormous. During the lecture we saw a white burst of light in
> the night sky; no idea what it was. The archeologist giving the lecture
> said that the Mogollon people disappeared from the region about 1450 -
> coinciding w/ the approx. date of Apache arrival. No sign of warfare
> though; probably a mini-ice age crop failure event.
>
> The archeologist has found many pottery shards in the area (high Mescalero
> mts. nxt. to the dune area) dating to approx. 500 A.D. I am fascinated by
> the waves of different peoples who have come to this area....hunter
> gatherers replaced or turned into agriculturalists who were then replaced
> by hunter gatherers who turned to agriculture.... I wonder if many other
> areas on the planet had similar waves when people lived in an area and
> then totally dropped agriculture after adopting it then went back to it
> due to climatic conditions.
>
> I incorrectly tended to think in linear terms re. h&g then agri. The
> exerpt from a paper below says the Mogollon culture might hv started
> around 250 BC. They were here for approx. 1800 yrs during which, at some
> time, they became agriculturalists.
>
> Kath
> www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/archaeology/artifacts/gilapottery.html
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