Hi Vickie,
I know you sent this message to David and Brad but I want you to know I will
be praying for your Dad as well.
Virgie and Hoshi
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vicki and The Rors" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 9:28 AM
Subject: Fw: [ECHURCH-USA] question
>> David and Brad,,
>>
>> Both my parents are seniors. They're wonderful people. My dad is not
>> saved. He struggles with severe chronic pain due to arthritis in his
> spine.
>> He said to me the other day in a casual conversation that he didn't
>> expect
>> to live but 2 or 3 more years at most. I don't know that I believe it.
>> However he is almost 80. Any of us could be in eternity the next second,
> so
>> only God knows. It made me very sad. We've prayed for him for years for
>> salvation. Besides being my Dad, he's a favorite person. When my dad
> told
>> me that we were on the phone, discussing something about my mom, as she
>> is
>> having some physical issues. He had company so we couldn't talk longer.
> I
>> would be so sad not to have my dad with me in heaven. Mom will be I
>> believe. I know others of us on this list have unsaved loved ones. Pray
>> for my dad. And also for any other unsaved loved ones.
>>
>> Vicki
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Stahl" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] question
>>
>>
>> > Jen, I'm going to offer an answer to your question. Revelation
>> > 21:4 says, "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes;
>> > and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying,
>> > neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are
>> > passed away." Please note that the first thing that verse tells us
>> > is that God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. Why do
>> > you think that will be? I believe at the white throne judgment,
>> > when those of us who are saved, born again, believers, must
>> > watch our loved ones who have rejected Christ being turned
>> > away into hell for eternity, we will be filled with unspeakable
>> > grief and sorrow, and will weep bitterly. Afterward, God shall
>> > wipe away all tears from our eyes; and there will be no more
>> > unpleasantness in heaven from that time forward. I realize this
>> > is open to controversy; but that's my opinion, and I'm right. LOL!
>> > Dave
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "jen and Star" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:56 PM
>> > Subject: question
>> >
>> >
>> > Brad,
>> >
>> > You're absolutely right. Of course we'll see our loved ones again...
>> saved
>> > or not... at the white throne judgement. My question to that is...
>> > will
>> we
>> > be sad? Will we cry when we see our unsaved loved ones be cast into
>> > the
>> > lake of fire? Will Christ cry or feel sad?
>> >
>> >
>> > Jen and MAMA-Star
>> > "Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble
>> > remembering how to fly."
>> > Author unknown
>> > AIM: jenibear1998
>> > msn
>> > [log in to unmask]
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:21 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Prayer for a friend
>> >
>> >
>> > > Jen,
>> > >
>> > > Yes that is true, and what is really sad is that there are those who
>> > > aren't
>> > > saved, and yet still think they will see loved ones when the game is
>> over.
>> > > It still makes the loss go down easier now, but doesn't change the
>> future
>> > > that lyes before them in eternity. They may well see them, but if not
>> > > saved
>> > > by Christ, they'll be meeting in a different rendezvous point than
> they
>> > > assumed. That to me would be worse.
>> > >
>> > > Brad
>> > > At 05:07 PM 1/15/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>> > >>Brad. This is true. But i was just curious. It seems a death is
>> easier
>> > >>if
>> > >>one is saved because the grievigng individuals know they'll see them
>> > >>again.
>> > >>Again, just curious.
>> > >>Jen and MAMA-Star
>> > >>"Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have
> trouble
>> > >>remembering how to fly."
>> > >>Author unknown
>> > >>AIM: jenibear1998
>> > >>msn
>> > >>[log in to unmask]
>> > >>----- Original Message -----
>> > >>From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > >>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > >>Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:45 PM
>> > >>Subject: Re: Prayer for a friend
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> > Jen,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I would like to say yes, but as with any of us, it is between them
>> and
>> > >> > God.
>> > >> > They are good people, do much to help others, you couldn't find
>> better
>> > >> > folks, but as you know it is acceptance of Christ in your heart
> that
>> > >> > makes
>> > >> > the difference and not works. I tend to think they are but I don't
>> > >> > know.
>> > >> > Either way Kathy has found out one way or the other.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Brad
>> > >> >
>> > >> > At 01:48 PM 1/15/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>> > >> >>thanks. Isd lary and was his wife saved?
>> > >> >>Jen and MAMA-Star
>> > >> >>"Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have
>> trouble
>> > >> >>remembering how to fly."
>> > >> >>Author unknown
>> > >> >>AIM: jenibear1998
>> > >> >>msn
>> > >> >>[log in to unmask]
>> > >> >>----- Original Message -----
>> > >> >>From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > >> >>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > >> >>Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:43 PM
>> > >> >>Subject: Re: Prayer for a friend
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> > PS. I like your tag line about friends.
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Brad
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > At 12:02 PM 1/15/2006 -0500, you wrote:
>> > >> >> >>wow brad. Will keep him in prayer. Do you see Lary often?
>> > >> >> >>Jen and MAMA-Star
>> > >> >> >>"Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have
>> > >> >> >>trouble
>> > >> >> >>remembering how to fly."
>> > >> >> >>Author unknown
>> > >> >> >>AIM: jenibear1998
>> > >> >> >>msn
>> > >> >> >>[log in to unmask]
>> > >> >> >>----- Original Message -----
>> > >> >> >>From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > >> >> >>To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > >> >> >>Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:42 AM
>> > >> >> >>Subject: Prayer for a friend
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >>
>> > >> >> >> > Hello All,
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> > I would ask you pray for a very dear friend of mine who lost
>> his
>> > >> >> >> > wife
>> > >> >> >> > yesterday. In the midst of enjoying their final leg of a
>> Western
>> > >> >> >> > Caribbean
>> > >> >> >> > cruise, along with many of their fellow friends and NFB
>> members,
>> > >> >> >> > Kathleen
>> > >> >> >> > Sebranek suddenly passed away. Larry her husband, my friend,
>> will
>> > >> >> >> > be
>> > >> >> >> > especially grievous as they did everything together as a
>> couple,
>> > >> >> >> > many
>> > >> >> >> > cruises and visits with friends across the US. No doubt he
> will
>> > >> >> >> > be
>> > >> >> >> > inundated with calls and visits of sympathy, which can be
>> > >> >> >> > overwhelming
>> > >> >> >> > in
>> > >> >> >> > itself as nice as the gesture is, I know as well he'll have
> a
>> > >> >> >> > huge
>> > >> >> >> > life
>> > >> >> >> > change to deal with when things quiet. She in recent times
> has
>> > >> >> >> > been
>> > >> >> >> > in
>> > >> >> >> > a
>> > >> >> >> > wheel chair due to health various issues and also blind, as
>> well
>> > >> >> >> > as
>> > >> >> >> > Larry
>> > >> >> >> > being blind himself pushing her around from event to event,
>> > >> >> >> > certainly
>> > >> >> >> > were
>> > >> >> >> > inspiring to those who felt they couldn't negotiate travel
> with
>> a
>> > >> >> >> > disability. We enjoyed a seven day cruise last year with
>> > >> >> >> > them
>> > >> >> >> > when
>> > >> >> >> > Brenda
>> > >> >> >> > and I had our 20th wedding anniversary. Thanks so much for
> your
>> > >> >> >> > prayers
>> > >> >> >> > on
>> > >> >> >> > his behalf.
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >> > Brad
>> > >> >> >> >
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Brad
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >> > Do not change your theology to accommodate a tragedy
>> > >> >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Brad
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Strive to be insulated, not insulated
>> > >> >
>> > >
>> > > Brad
>> > >
>> > > A successful relationship isn't finding the right person; it's
>> > > being
>> the
>> > > right person
>> > >
>> >
>>
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