Vicki,
What is his objection? I mean some folks are too methodical or too much in
reasoning things out to rely on faith, it isn't practical for them or they
are too intellectual. Some just think it is of no real value or
application, no evidence of it being real and so don't believe. Others just
like where they are in life and don't want to upset the apple cart. Where
does he stand? That would help a prayer focus.
Brad
At 07:28 AM 1/21/2006 -0700, you wrote:
> > David and Brad,,
> >
> > Both my parents are seniors. They're wonderful people. My dad is not
> > saved. He struggles with severe chronic pain due to arthritis in his
>spine.
> > He said to me the other day in a casual conversation that he didn't expect
> > to live but 2 or 3 more years at most. I don't know that I believe it.
> > However he is almost 80. Any of us could be in eternity the next second,
>so
> > only God knows. It made me very sad. We've prayed for him for years for
> > salvation. Besides being my Dad, he's a favorite person. When my dad
>told
> > me that we were on the phone, discussing something about my mom, as she is
> > having some physical issues. He had company so we couldn't talk longer.
>I
> > would be so sad not to have my dad with me in heaven. Mom will be I
> > believe. I know others of us on this list have unsaved loved ones. Pray
> > for my dad. And also for any other unsaved loved ones.
> >
> > Vicki
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Stahl" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:45 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] question
> >
> >
> > > Jen, I'm going to offer an answer to your question. Revelation
> > > 21:4 says, "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes;
> > > and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying,
> > > neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are
> > > passed away." Please note that the first thing that verse tells us
> > > is that God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. Why do
> > > you think that will be? I believe at the white throne judgment,
> > > when those of us who are saved, born again, believers, must
> > > watch our loved ones who have rejected Christ being turned
> > > away into hell for eternity, we will be filled with unspeakable
> > > grief and sorrow, and will weep bitterly. Afterward, God shall
> > > wipe away all tears from our eyes; and there will be no more
> > > unpleasantness in heaven from that time forward. I realize this
> > > is open to controversy; but that's my opinion, and I'm right. LOL!
> > > Dave
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "jen and Star" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:56 PM
> > > Subject: question
> > >
> > >
> > > Brad,
> > >
> > > You're absolutely right. Of course we'll see our loved ones again...
> > saved
> > > or not... at the white throne judgement. My question to that is... will
> > we
> > > be sad? Will we cry when we see our unsaved loved ones be cast into the
> > > lake of fire? Will Christ cry or feel sad?
> > >
> > >
> > > Jen and MAMA-Star
> > > "Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble
> > > remembering how to fly."
> > > Author unknown
> > > AIM: jenibear1998
> > > msn
> > > [log in to unmask]
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:21 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Prayer for a friend
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jen,
> > > >
> > > > Yes that is true, and what is really sad is that there are those who
> > > > aren't
> > > > saved, and yet still think they will see loved ones when the game is
> > over.
> > > > It still makes the loss go down easier now, but doesn't change the
> > future
> > > > that lyes before them in eternity. They may well see them, but if not
> > > > saved
> > > > by Christ, they'll be meeting in a different rendezvous point than
>they
> > > > assumed. That to me would be worse.
> > > >
> > > > Brad
> > > > At 05:07 PM 1/15/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >>Brad. This is true. But i was just curious. It seems a death is
> > easier
> > > >>if
> > > >>one is saved because the grievigng individuals know they'll see them
> > > >>again.
> > > >>Again, just curious.
> > > >>Jen and MAMA-Star
> > > >>"Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have
>trouble
> > > >>remembering how to fly."
> > > >>Author unknown
> > > >>AIM: jenibear1998
> > > >>msn
> > > >>[log in to unmask]
> > > >>----- Original Message -----
> > > >>From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >>Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:45 PM
> > > >>Subject: Re: Prayer for a friend
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > Jen,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I would like to say yes, but as with any of us, it is between them
> > and
> > > >> > God.
> > > >> > They are good people, do much to help others, you couldn't find
> > better
> > > >> > folks, but as you know it is acceptance of Christ in your heart
>that
> > > >> > makes
> > > >> > the difference and not works. I tend to think they are but I don't
> > > >> > know.
> > > >> > Either way Kathy has found out one way or the other.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Brad
> > > >> >
> > > >> > At 01:48 PM 1/15/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >> >>thanks. Isd lary and was his wife saved?
> > > >> >>Jen and MAMA-Star
> > > >> >>"Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have
> > trouble
> > > >> >>remembering how to fly."
> > > >> >>Author unknown
> > > >> >>AIM: jenibear1998
> > > >> >>msn
> > > >> >>[log in to unmask]
> > > >> >>----- Original Message -----
> > > >> >>From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >> >>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >> >>Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:43 PM
> > > >> >>Subject: Re: Prayer for a friend
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> > PS. I like your tag line about friends.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Brad
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > At 12:02 PM 1/15/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >> >> >>wow brad. Will keep him in prayer. Do you see Lary often?
> > > >> >> >>Jen and MAMA-Star
> > > >> >> >>"Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have
> > > >> >> >>trouble
> > > >> >> >>remembering how to fly."
> > > >> >> >>Author unknown
> > > >> >> >>AIM: jenibear1998
> > > >> >> >>msn
> > > >> >> >>[log in to unmask]
> > > >> >> >>----- Original Message -----
> > > >> >> >>From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >> >> >>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >> >> >>Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:42 AM
> > > >> >> >>Subject: Prayer for a friend
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> > Hello All,
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > I would ask you pray for a very dear friend of mine who lost
> > his
> > > >> >> >> > wife
> > > >> >> >> > yesterday. In the midst of enjoying their final leg of a
> > Western
> > > >> >> >> > Caribbean
> > > >> >> >> > cruise, along with many of their fellow friends and NFB
> > members,
> > > >> >> >> > Kathleen
> > > >> >> >> > Sebranek suddenly passed away. Larry her husband, my friend,
> > will
> > > >> >> >> > be
> > > >> >> >> > especially grievous as they did everything together as a
> > couple,
> > > >> >> >> > many
> > > >> >> >> > cruises and visits with friends across the US. No doubt he
>will
> > > >> >> >> > be
> > > >> >> >> > inundated with calls and visits of sympathy, which can be
> > > >> >> >> > overwhelming
> > > >> >> >> > in
> > > >> >> >> > itself as nice as the gesture is, I know as well he'll have
>a
> > > >> >> >> > huge
> > > >> >> >> > life
> > > >> >> >> > change to deal with when things quiet. She in recent times
>has
> > > >> >> >> > been
> > > >> >> >> > in
> > > >> >> >> > a
> > > >> >> >> > wheel chair due to health various issues and also blind, as
> > well
> > > >> >> >> > as
> > > >> >> >> > Larry
> > > >> >> >> > being blind himself pushing her around from event to event,
> > > >> >> >> > certainly
> > > >> >> >> > were
> > > >> >> >> > inspiring to those who felt they couldn't negotiate travel
>with
> > a
> > > >> >> >> > disability. We enjoyed a seven day cruise last year with them
> > > >> >> >> > when
> > > >> >> >> > Brenda
> > > >> >> >> > and I had our 20th wedding anniversary. Thanks so much for
>your
> > > >> >> >> > prayers
> > > >> >> >> > on
> > > >> >> >> > his behalf.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Brad
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Brad
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Do not change your theology to accommodate a tragedy
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Brad
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Strive to be insulated, not insulated
> > > >> >
> > > >
> > > > Brad
> > > >
> > > > A successful relationship isn't finding the right person; it's being
> > the
> > > > right person
> > > >
> > >
> >
Brad
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