what you call ostrich additude i call reality. the
science really does not support the non ostrich voiew
in my opinion. after working with computers 30 years i
know computer models are the results of the
assumptions that are put in and i honestly think the
assumptions that are made at the start are totally
bias and that gets the results that are wanted not
necessarily the facts. history supportys my cycle
beliefs a lot more than science supports you people
who think men will destroy nature. nature has cleaned
up the oil spills of every tanker sunk in world wars,
has cleaned up two nuclear bombs and much more that
could be listed. we are going to destroy nature. who
are you kidding?
by the way do you know why greenland was named
greenland?  but i digress.

--- Deri James <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hi Ken,
>
> I do not understand the ostrich attitude to Global
> Warming. You seem to be
> saying that GW is solely due because "the sun is
> going thru a hotter
> cycle" (I'm not sure whether you are referring to
> the normal 11yr sunspot
> activity, or the Milankovitch Effect (slight changes
> in orbit)). Whilst there
> is slight correlation with historical climactic
> conditions it is insufficient
> to explain those changes. If you wish a more
> academic source (and I wouldn't
> trust what I say - I'm Welsh!!) have a look at:-
>
> <http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/causecc/>
>
> Another interesting source of info is at:-
>
> <http://amap.no/acia/>
>
> (It's quite a large PDF but well written,
> authorative, and generally erring on
> the conservative side in its conclusions).
>
> Whether Kyoto would have made a significant
> difference is another argument,
> one which can't be proved either way because one
> country (the richest and
> dirtiest polluter) turned its back on the world for
> essentially selfish
> reasons.
>
> I also do not understand why it is assumed that the
> only way to reduce petrol
> prices is to increase production (again, selfishly,
> using up a finite
> resource even quicker). Surely the law of Supply and
> Demand equally states
> that if demand falls then so will prices. (Think how
> much fossil fuel is used
> making electricity - this "demand" increases oil/gas
> prices). It is kind of
> ironic the Dubya (the "friend" of oil interests)
> says "Make fewer car
> journeys" and his people say "No - Cut Taxes"
> (bearing in mind US still has
> lowest gas prices in the Western World!!). Prices in
> the UK are about $6.90 a
> us gallon (and our wages are lower than yours).
>
> Cheers
>
> Deri
>
>
> On Tuesday 06 Sep 2005 04:57, ken barber wrote:
> > oh, crap  the new orleam times piciune has gotten
> > award after award writing series of articles after
> > series predicting this would happen just as it did
> for
> > years and years. it is pure bs that natural
> buffers
> > were took away. the fact is that the damn city was
> 20
> > foot below sea level.
> >   go out in your back yard and dig a hole. put in
> a
> > bucket of water. it fills up. that, mag,  is what
> > happened. new orleans was built in a hole and
> katrina
> > filled up the hole.
> >   that should be a simple enough illistration for
> > everyone to understand.
> >    it is so wet down there that they can't even
> bury
> > anybody. wet lands drained, my arse. oh, have we
> > noticed the temps being up, has anyone noticed
> that
> > the sun is going thru a hotter cycle, more solor
> > flares? it has been reported. yes the temps are
> up.
> > becouse the sun is hotter. KYOTO, HAD NOTHING TO
> DO
> > WITH THIS. just like in the 30's and 40's when we
> got
> > this kind of cycle and we got the hurricanes then
> too.
> > how the hell could that have happened? george bush
> was
> > not even born yet. BY THE WAY THE ICE BURGS WERE
> DOING
> > THE SAME THING THEY ARE DOING NOW. don't anybody
> study
> > history anymore? maybe the question should be does
> > anybody teach history any more? does anyone know
> why
> > greenland was named greenland. IT WAS GREEN WHEN
> IT
> > WAS NAMED, NOT WHITE. AS IT IS NOW.
> >
> > i also find it hard to believe that gov. blanco
> did
> > nothing but whine like the mayor did that somebody
> > else was not doing something like they forgot they
> > were elected mayor and governor. she forgot she
> > commanded her national guard, she forgot she was
> the
> > one to order a evacuation, she forgot she
> commanded
> > the state police, she fortgot to execute a plan.
> the
> > mayor forgot he was elected and commanded the city
> > police, he let school busses that were just parked
> > stay parked that could be used to help those with
> no
> > cars get out. it is not like they were going to
> have
> > school in the middle of a storm. he forgot that
> there
> > was a noted criminal element in his city and he
> thinks
> > they will just cease to be criminals, maybe he
> just
> > forgot he had a brain to use.
> >
> > hell yes the mayor failed and so did governor
> blanco.
> > then on top of that the feds failed. FEMA FAILED,
> THE
> > DEPT OF HOMELAND SECURITY FAILED. THANK G-D FOR
> THE
> > US. MILITARY.
> >   the whole system failed.
> > the governors and legislatures and the president
> and
> > congress had better fix the system. there may well
> be
> > terrorist bringing in a wreapon of mass
> destruction as
> > i write, there may be another monster storm
> brewing in
> > the atlantic, los angeles or san fran can have a
> > catstrophic earthquake, and let's not forget
> TSUNAMIS
> > can hit our coast too.
> > our elected officials at every level had better
> fix
> > the system becouse the system failed at every
> level.
> >
> >
> > give me a break. every body go out tommorrow and
> dig
> > the hole and pour water in it and report back if
> the
> > hole magically could not be filled up. until then
> i'll
> > turn off the computer and get a nights sleep and
> cool
> > down.
> >
> > sorry for the explosion.
> >
> >  --- Magenta Raine <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > Ken,
> > > I don't know. It sure looks like business
> interests
> > > helped cause Katrina,
> > > in that businesses in LA  drained so much of the
> > > wetlands that it took away
> > > that natural buffer there. It  sure looks like
> water
> > > surface temps had a
> > > lot to do with how much stronger there
> hurricanes
> > > are getting.
> > >
> > > I find it hard to believe that the governor did
> not
> > > know she had to request
> > > the natl guard assistance, but you are correct
> in
> > > that blame is
> > > everywhere, from the senators and congress folks
> who
> > > would not ratify kyoto
> > > agreement even though Clinton signed it, to the
> > > states of LA and Mis. who
> > > did not have plans -  and also did not have the
> > > sense to do a state tax to
> > > help pay for things when feds said see your
> money go
> > > to homeland
> > > security...
> > >
> > > many of those who stayed behind were those who
> are
> > > the elderly poor or
> > > disabled poor... How were they supposed to leave
> the
>
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