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A large issue that brought about the suit was the fact that at that 
time, in some instances when you went to check out from the Target 
site, there was a "checkout" button that wasn't visible to screen 
readers, and it wasn't possible to trigger it with the keyboard.  It 
did not always appear, but did some.  I know this for a fact, because 
it happened to me.

I presume there was one or more circumstances that made this 
difficult to use control appear, like being a first time customer or 
something.    There were other problems, but if this one happened to 
you it was a show stopper.

This also accounts for the reason that there has been such a variety 
of opinions on whether or not the site was accessible.  For some it 
was, for others it wasn't.

Dave

At 08:50 AM 8/28/2008, Dan Rossi wrote:
>My confusion mainly comes from when is a sight inaccessible?  And, 
>when is it OK to sue.
>
> From my understanding, there are blind people who can purchase 
> things from Target.com, but many blind people, possibly not as 
> computer savvy find it difficult.  So is the sight inaccessible, or 
> just clunky.
>
>for example, I had purchased tickets on SouthWest before the suit 
>against them ever happened.  I also have used annualcreditreport.com 
>before and was surprised to see that they had made some kind of 
>agreement to make their site accessible.  It seemed fine to me.
>
>I don't understand why it is OK to sue Target but not OK to sue for 
>accessible currency.  I have heard arguments against accessible 
>currency saying that it is too expensive to do.  I am sure this suit 
>and the extra man hours to revamp the Target website, and maintain, 
>test and verify new changes to the site, won't exactly be free.
>
>I have also heard arguments that blind people can ask sighted people 
>what change they are being handed.  Or, that there are electronic 
>means for blind people to identify currency.  Or, that there are 
>ways for blind people to deal with inaccessible currency.  Well, I 
>would assume that a blind person could ask a sighted person to help 
>them navigate a web site. Or a blind person could call Target to 
>order an item.  or, a blind person could take their business somewhere else.
>
>I just feel that, unless we get an unbiased third party to set some 
>guidelines, the term "accessible" is pretty ambiguous.  It leaves 
>lots of room for bringing suits.  Maybe one blind person finds a 
>site inaccessible, but others don't.  Maybe some blind people find 
>asking sighted people what cash they are being handed is just fine, 
>but others feel that isn't a valid accessibility adaptation.
>
>I think this ambiguity could eventually bight the blind community in 
>the behind.
>
>--
>Blue skies.
>Dan Rossi
>Carnegie Mellon University.
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