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Read the Curran.  It is 70 virgins and 70 brides.  Doesn't the bible say to
us we shall receive all good things once we arrive at heaven's gate.  Of
course it does.  These are things valued by Moslem men particularly young
ones.
----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Carter <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: What's With All the Blind Clerics?


> I was thinking of those guys who flew into the tower because they were
told that Ala was going to give thme fifty virgins each and a bunch of other
earthly things.  I bet they were surprised when they got there found out
that there is no need for virgins because in the spirit world we will not
have any sexes. Plus there was not a sacrifice like they thought it was
suicide and destruction of their temples (bodies)
> --
> I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out
there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there
is
>
> IN GOD WE TRUST
> Karen Carter  '74
> -KC- Ministries
>
>
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: [log in to unmask]
> > Why do you say this?  What do you know of Islam that you would say such
a
> > thing?  I have very good Moslem friends and I don't believe any would
> > sacrifice their sight to gain favor with God.  However, I think it is
noble
> > to be willing to do such a thing.  After all Jesus said it is better to
> > enter the kingdom of heaven with one hand or one eye or perhaps no eyes
than
> > to be cast in to hell for eternity.  I wish I had that sort of zeal for
God
> > but alas I don't I fear.?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Karen Carter <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 12:10 AM
> > Subject: Re: Fw: What's With All the Blind Clerics?
> >
> >
> > > They probably sacraficed their eyes or whaat have you to get blessing
from
> > Ala.
> > >
> > > --
> > > I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out
> > there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out
there
> > is
> > >
> > > IN GOD WE TRUST
> > > Karen Carter  '74
> > > -KC- Ministries
> > >
> > >
> > >  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > From: [log in to unmask]
> > > > This is interesting.  It seems the cultures with the highest
restraints
> > > > against our full participation in society will jump at the chance to
> > cast us
> > > > in clerical roles as if to say, "God will embrace these people even
if
> > we
> > > > won't."
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Blind World Magazine <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: Blind News <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 8:21 PM
> > > > Subject: What's With All the Blind Clerics?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > What's With All the Blind Clerics?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > January 20, 2006.
> > > > > By Daniel Engber,
> > > > > Slate - USA.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Omar Abdel Rahman: the blind bomber
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The Muslim cleric Abu Hamza al-Masri denied preaching racial
hatred in
> > a
> > > > > British courtroom on Thursday. Al-Masri has been linked to the
> > would-be
> > > > > shoe-bomber Richard Reid and stands accused of starting a
terrorist
> > > > training
> > > > > camp in Oregon. Most news reports also mention that al-Masri has
only
> > one
> > > > > eye and no hands. It seems like we're always hearing about blind
or
> > > > > half-blind Muslim clerics-what's the deal?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a pattern of the blind leading the not-blind in modern
Islam.
> > A
> > > > > traditional Muslim education in some ways favors the blind, since
it
> > > > > proceeds largely through the repetition and memorization of sacred
> > texts.
> > > > > Children chant Quranic verses until they know them by heart; those
who
> > > > learn
> > > > > the whole book often receive advanced religious training. Blind
> > kids-who
> > > > > often make up for their disability with a finely tuned sense of
> > > > hearing-tend
> > > > > to do quite well at this.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Children who can't see may also get pushed toward the clergy by
their
> > > > > parents. Clerics often preach through the artful recitation of the
> > > > > Quran-something a blind person can learn to do as well as anyone
else.
> > The
> > > > > same child would be at a severe disadvantage in a conventional
> > classroom,
> > > > > and he'd have a harder time holding down a regular job.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Muslims have revered blind clerics for over 1,000 years. In one
scene
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > Quran, the Prophet frowns and turns away from a blind man, only to
> > have
> > > > > Allah castigate him for rejecting a spiritual seeker. The man,
called
> > > > > Abdullah ibn Umm Maktum, became an important early follower of the
> > > > Prophet.
> > > > > (The tradition of blind religious figures extends back to early
> > Judaism
> > > > and
> > > > > Christianity as well.)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Today, even blind people without religious training enjoy a
certain
> > level
> > > > of
> > > > > respect in the Muslim world. Turks, for example, refer to a blind
man
> > as a
> > > > > hafiz-meaning one who has completely memorized the Quran-whether
or
> > not he
> > > > > has earned the title. In Egypt, blind men are casually described
as
> > > > > moulanas, a term of respect given to Muslim scholars.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Another factor in the prevalence of blind clerics may be the high
> > rates of
> > > > > blindness in Arab countries. A 2002 study, for example, reveals a
dire
> > > > > situation in Lebanon, Oman, and Morocco, where more than 5 percent
of
> > the
> > > > > people over the age of 50 couldn't see.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The blind clerics most often mentioned in the Western press are
> > radical
> > > > > jihadis like Abu Hamza al-Masri or Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman-the
"blind
> > > > sheik"
> > > > > accused of masterminding the World Trade Center bombing of 1993.
But
> > blind
> > > > > clerics are just as likely to be moderates. The revered Saudi
> > Abdelaziz
> > > > ibn
> > > > > Baaz, for example, renounced violence in the name of installing
> > Islamic
> > > > > governments. He also issued a fatwa allowing Muslim men to take
> > Viagra.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In fact, blindness could be a liability within the most militant
sects
> > of
> > > > > Islam. In the 1980s, members of the Egyptian jihad movement
debated
> > > > whether
> > > > > Abdel Rahman's blindness made him a poor operational leader. The
> > strongest
> > > > > voice opposing him belonged to Ayman al-Zawahiri, now thought to
be
> > > > > al-Qaida's No. 2 figure.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Explainer thanks Richard Antoun of the State University of New
York,
> > > > Mahmoud
> > > > > Ayoub of Temple University, Fawaz Gerges of Sarah Lawrence, and
> > Valerie
> > > > > Hoffman of the University of Illinois.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Source URL: http://www.slate.com/id/2134506/#.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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