Brad,

Agreed.  We do say pray hard.  I just said it a couple of days ago.  Maybe
we could have a prayer study on here.  Praying fervently, if a righteous
person gets results.  But why do we pray?  Because God wants to hear our
prayers and he's eager to answer our requests.  Probably more willing and
excited to answer than we are to pray.  Well, I'm done preaching.  Ha.

Let us know how the surgery goes for your Dad tomorrow as you're able.

Vicki

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Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] Brad Dad Update


> Yep we are in good company. lol. It always made me wonder when someone
> said to pray hard for something, we've probably all said that at one point
> or other, but can we motivate God anymore by quote, "praying harder"? lol.
> If typing this note, can I type any harder to get faster or better
> results? Can I breathe in harder? I can breat deeper, longer, slower or
> faster, but can I breathe in harder? And beside, as the Word says, God
> knows are needs before we pray... hmmm... then why pray at all...
> interesting isn't it all?
>
> Brad
>
>
>
>
> on 07:41 AM 10/16/2005, Vicki and The Rors said:
>
> brad,
>
> Have prayed even before I answered your post.  I know any surgery is a
> concern, but it sure sounds like this one is timely.  Keep us posted as
> you
> are able.
>
> By the way, on this grunting and groaning thing, just couldn't resist.
> Doesn't the Holy Spirit pray with groanings  as in Romans 8:26.
> Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what
> we
> should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for
> us with groanings which cannot be uttered. So, if we grunt and groan,
> won't
> we be in good company?  Smile.
>
>
>
>
> Vicki
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brad D" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 6:07 PM
> Subject: [ECHURCH-USA] Brad Dad Update
>
>
>  > Hi All,
>  >
>  > OK here's the scoop. My dad went in for some testing, the one where
> they
>  > put dye in you and then take pictures of where any blockages might be
> in
>  > your heart and etc.
>  >
>  > First he gave us all a scare when they took his blood sample in the
>  > morning, gasped a bit and passed out while laying in the bed. Of course
>  > the monitors were on him so in seconds there were five people in there
>  > calling his name and getting his pulse back up and etc. He was a bit
>  > nervous and with the anxiety of it all plus giving blood his BP dropped
>  > and etc. so passed out. This also happens to me if ever I give blood
>  > samples but never actually passed out. It isn't the idea of blood
> giving
>  > as with me it is usually after the fact, but more the shock of it for
> some
>  > reason. Anyway after that episode, he was fine.
>  >
>  > After he was gone for the test and we had gotten news he was on his way
>  > back and a nurse saying that's probably good news, I knew they didn't
>  > stint him with the time he was gone and figured it wasn't good news. It
>  > turns out he is in need of a multiple bypass, five altogether. The
>  > blockage is at the top of the heart affecting the whole heart and he is
>  > lucky he hadn't had a heart attack because as the doctor said it would
> be
>  > a gigantic one with no other part of the heart to take up slack from
> the
>  > affected area. So, he is going in Monday morning for the operation.
> Good
>  > news is that his heart is very strong and is not weakened at all, and
> he
>  > is otherwise in very good physical condition. His risk factor is only 1
> to
>  > 2% so that is excellent as there is risk in any surgery let alone a
> heart
>  > op. He is having it done In Bellin Hospital in Green Bay, WI where they
>  > are known for their heart care enter and just celebrated their
> 100,000th
>  > heart op there. All successful ones I'm assuming. His doctor has done
> over
>  > 2000 of them over the past sixteen years. So prayer for my mom ridding
>  > fear now and during the op is appreciated, as well his nerves and etc.
> as
>  > well as during the op, and after the op recovery. As well as financial
>  > concerns as they do have insurance where he works but this will likely
>  > push him to his retirement. He was planning to retire in March anyway.
>  > Well he is retired actually but returned to work for insurance and
> extra
>  > money to actually be able to really retire. He is 70 now. So please if
> you
>  > would pray as you can and are led. I'll be trying to pop in and check
>  > messages but I'll be staying at a hotel down there and mostly at the
>  > hospital too so not sure if I'll be able to respond right off. Thanks
>  > much.
>  >
>  > Brad
>  >
>  >
>  >
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