All right Kathy.  Oh know I don't want to accuse anyone of that.  I just meant that some people do this because they fill guilty if they lay down the law and inforce it.  I am glad you guys are doing this and not enabling.

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> Boy Phil,
>          Your post makes me think that I am reading my future.  The
> difference is that we are kicking Chris out in 22 days when he turns
> 18, and then, if he wants to live with us, again, as the prodigal
> come home, then we will negotiate ground rules.  Right now, it would
> be like talking to the wall, but you already know and understand that.
>          By the way, Karen had made a comment earlier about
> enabling.  I don't think that anyone could accuse Phil and Sandy, or
> Greg and myself of enabling.  We are all trying to walk the tough
> love rout.  As parents, however, we can still see the good in our
> wayward child and it is that good that we continue to fight for to
> bring to the surface.
> Kathy
>
>
> At 01:40 AM 10/7/2005, you wrote:
> >All went well and everyone got to speak their mind.  Gretchen wants to stay
> >but understands that we are holding her accountable.  Some basic rules were
> >laid down and she understands that if those rules are broken, she will have
> >to move out.  She agreed to allow her brother, who is her employer, to help
> >her each week be accountable with her money.  She agreed to meet with me
> >once a week for prayer sessions to get at the root of the original problems.
> >So, although we all are still skeptical and are unable to yet trust her, we
> >are willing to try and be of help to her if she is willing to work with us.
> >This is why Sandy and I, along with Keith and Everett, were there.  This
> >way, she knows, Sandy and I are not alone.  So, thank you for your prayers.
> >I have a feeling that Gretchen may have realized tonight that a few people
> >love her enough to help her.  That may make the difference.  We all made it
> >very clear, that without the Lord, she will not make it on her own.  Thanks
> >again for all the prayers.
> >
> >Phil.
> >
> >
> >Where there is pain, there is belief.  Truth has no pain.
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