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It didn't ruin it for me.  I still sing it to Jesus or about Jesus even if the writer wrote it for other reasong and I think Paul Simon wrote it.

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Christ is either Lord of all or he is not Lord at all.
Karen Carter '74



> Vinny,
>
> I think that songs are a lot more about why and how we mean them as
> singers/instrumentalists than what they were written for.  there are some
> lyrics that are obviously about sinful acts, and I have no problem staying
> away from those.  hOwever, you've just ruined a good song for a lot of good
> people.
>
> Thanks a lot!
>
>
>
> JulieMelton
> visit me at
> www.heart-and-music.com
> Keep smiling!
>
>
>
>
> >From: Cindy H <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: Echurch-USA The Electronic Church
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Puff The Magic Dragon
> >Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2005 03:55:01 -0700
> >
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> >now thats something I never heard before. I love that song.
> >
> >cindy
> >
> >Vinny Samarco <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >phil,
> >What a good testimony.
> >On another aspect of that, I think it's terrible ther P P and M fooled most
> >people with that song. I didn't find out till later what that was about.
> >How about bridge over troubled waters? I've heard that one sung in
> >churches, and the last verse is about ha needle and a heroin trip.
> >A beautiful melody and decptive words.
> >Vinny
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Phil Scovell"
> >To:
> >Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:11 PM
> >Subject: Puff The Magic Dragon
> >
> >
> > > The following testimony speaks for itself.
> > >
> > > Puff The Magic Dragon
> > >
> > >
> > > By Phil Scovell
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > George called and said he was having a horrible anxiety
> > > attack. He had experienced healing in many places but recent, and
> > > current, circumstances were trying to crush the life out of him.
> > >
> > > As we talked about how he felt, he admitted that in the
> > > middle of his anxiety episode, a memory came to his attention
> > > during the time he was in the 6th grade. He related that he could
> > > not get to the truth of what that memory was about but he saw that
> > > he was scared and nervous in the classroom. He could clearly
> > > recall the students in their chairs and the teacher in the room
> > > but he felt too fearful to explore the true nature of the anxiety
> > > within the memory itself. I had a scheduled appointment coming up
> > > but told him I would call him back later and pray with him about
> > > the fear and the importance of the memory. In the mean time, I
> > > suggested he pray through the memory himself to see if more
> > > information surfaced.
> > >
> > > Later I received an email of the victory he experienced and
> > > then we talked on the telephone concerning the healing the Lord
> > > brought to him. Here is his testimony.
> > >
> > > George reported, after getting off the phone, that he sat in
> > > a chair and refocused on the memory. clearly the images of the
> > > classroom, the other seated students, and the teacher were all
> > > there. He even specifically recalled the teacher's name. Most
> > > importantly, and most disturbingly, the fear and anxiety and
> > > fright, which he could vividly feel, were still there as well.
> > > He could not understand why. So, he asked the Lord. the reply he
> > > received was that he had nearly always been frightened and
> > > scared.
> > >
> > > George then requested the Lord show him the source, or cause,
> > > for this fear. Immediately, as he saw and remembered the images
> > > of the childhood memory, a dragon walked into the room. It flung
> > > it's head from side to side and if sniffing the air to find a
> > > particular victim. At that moment, a figure of Jesus appeared in
> > > one corner of the room. George said, "Lord Jesus? What is that?
> > > dragon doing here?"
> > >
> > > The Lord said, "That's Puff the magic dragon."
> > >
> > > George knew, of course, that was the name of a song which
> > > Peter, Paul and Mary sang many years ago. Those who recall, the
> > > song, easily recognize the implication of dope smoking, that
> > > symbolically produces dragons, that is, fairy tales or stories of
> > > fantasy.
> > >
> > > Author's Note.
> > >
> > > This idea would be similar to Alice In Wonderland. After
> > > ingesting certain types of mushrooms, psychedelic effects occurred
> > > in the story. Here all this time you thought it was just a cute
> > > little children's fairy tale. This is the same reasoning used by
> > > many today, even born again Christians, to justify the Harry
> > > Potter stories. It is time to draw the line.
> > >
> > > End Of Author's note.
> > >
> > > George confessed later to me that he used to often sing this
> > > cute little song, Puff The Magic Dragon, to himself as he worked
> > > because it seemed to bring comfort to him. It brought something
> > > to him spiritually but not comfort.
> > >
> > > George, after hearing what the Lord said and briefly
> > > considering what he had heard, asked, "So what does Puff the magic
> > > dragon have to do with this memory?"
> > >
> > > The Lord said, "You have been substituting fantasies to
> > > avoid, and to cope with, stress and fearful circumstances in your
> > > life."
> > >
> > > "What does the dragon want from me?" George then asked.
> > >
> > > "He wants to kill you," Jesus said matter of factly.
> > >
> > > It was clear to George by this time what the dragon was.
> > > "Does this demon have a right to be in my life?" George wanted to
> > > know.
> > >
> > > "No," came the single word answer from the Lord.
> > >
> > > "What do you want me to do with him, then?" George asked.
> > >
> > > "Send him away," came the succinct answer.
> > >
> > > "In the name of the True Lord Jesus Christ," George prayed,
> > > "I bind you and all those under your authority. I command you to
> > > leave and to go to the place where the true Lord Jesus Christ
> > > wants you to go. Don't ever come back."
> > >
> > > Then a very curious thing happened, George said. The dragon
> > > began leaving but as he stood there, a duplicate image of the
> > > dragon separated itself from the first image and began exiting the
> > > room. This was quickly followed by a second and a third and a
> > > fourth. The main image remain where it was.
> > >
> > > George said, "Lord, what is going on here?"
> > >
> > > "these are the fantasies created in your mind over the years
> > > to distract you from hearing the truth," he heard the Holy Spirit
> > > speaking into his thoughts.
> > >
> > > "How many of these are there?" George asked curiously.
> > >
> > > Jesus said, "25."
> > >
> > > George watched as the images of the original dragon followed
> > > each other as they exited the room until the final image, the
> > > original dragon, walked out of the room as well.
> > >
> > > George looked at the corner where Jesus had been standing and
> > > began laughing. Jesus was giving the "thumbs up" signal and then,
> > > as George continued to watch, the Lord began to dance around the
> > > room with joy causing George to laugh even more. The fear and
> > > anxiety he felt as a 6th grader in the classroom vanished and now
> > > joy and peace filled the room and the boy.
> > >
> > > this is the type of thing that drives a lot of Christians
> > > crazy. First, it is labeled as psycho heresy, self hypnosis,
> > > personal guided imagery, theatrical meditation, lucid dreaming, or
> > > sometimes it is simply label demonic. It is none of these things,
> > > of course, because it is nothing more than intimate prayer with
> > > the True Lord Jesus Christ. If you recall, Jesus was accused of
> > > casting out demons by the power of Satan. (See Matthew 9:32-34).
> > > Of course, this argument makes no sense whatsoever but many
> > > Christians have resigned themselves to believing the Enemy has
> > > such imaginary power and the true Lord Jesus does not. I grew up
> > > believing that anybody whoever saw Jesus was a heretic,
> > > theologically twisted, and very likely mentally ill, or worse,
> > > demon possessed.
> > >
> > > Some choose to label this form of prayer "inner healing," and
> > > thus attribute its origin to New Age philosophy, heretical
> > > theology, or Luciferian mysticism. You are free to believe
> > > whatever you wish. While you are believing whatever it is you
> > > believe, keep in mind the true nature of the Enemy, that is, Jesus
> > > said Satan has come to steel, kill and to destroy. (See John
> > > 10:10).
> > >
> > > My question to you is this. Are you afraid? Do you have
> > > anxiety and panic attacks and you don't know why? What is the
> > > source of your depression? Would you like to be free? Call me
> > > and learn to pray as George has.
> > >
> > > Safe Place Fellowship
> > > Phil Scovell
> > > Denver, Colorado
> > > Mountain time Zone
> > > Phone: 303-507-5175
> > > www.SafePlaceFellowship.com
> > >
> >
> >
> >  Your White Lily Candle consultant!
> >**Want to know what a day in Heaven is like? Then come to
> >www.heavenscented.com
> >-They may forget what you did but they will never forget how you made them
> >feel.--Carl Buechner
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> ><DIV>now thats something I never heard before. I love that song.</DIV>
> ><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
> ><DIV>cindy<BR><BR><B><I>Vinny Samarco &lt;[log in to unmask]&gt;</I></B>
> >wrote:</DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
> >BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">phil,<BR>What a good testimony.<BR>On
> >another aspect of that, I think it's terrible ther P P and M fooled
> >most<BR>people with that song. I didn't find out till later what that was
> >about.<BR>How about bridge over troubled waters? I've heard that one sung
> >in<BR>churches, and the last verse is about ha needle and a heroin
> >trip.<BR>A beautiful melody and decptive words.<BR>Vinny<BR>----- Original
> >Message -----<BR>From: "Phil Scovell" <[log in to unmask]><BR>To:
> ><[log in to unmask]><BR>Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005
> >5:11 PM<BR>Subject: Puff The Magic Dragon<BR><BR><BR>&gt; The following
> >testimony speaks for itself.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Puff The Magic
> >Dragon<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; By Phil
> >Scovell<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; George called and said he
> >was having a horrible anxiety<BR>&gt; attack. He had experienced healing in
> >many places but recent, and<BR>&gt;
> >  current, circumstances were trying to crush the life out of
> >him.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; As we talked about how he felt, he admitted that in
> >the<BR>&gt; middle of his anxiety episode, a memory came to his
> >attention<BR>&gt; during the time he was in the 6th grade. He related that
> >he could<BR>&gt; not get to the truth of what that memory was about but he
> >saw that<BR>&gt; he was scared and nervous in the classroom. He could
> >clearly<BR>&gt; recall the students in their chairs and the teacher in the
> >room<BR>&gt; but he felt too fearful to explore the true nature of the
> >anxiety<BR>&gt; within the memory itself. I had a scheduled appointment
> >coming up<BR>&gt; but told him I would call him back later and pray with
> >him about<BR>&gt; the fear and the importance of the memory. In the mean
> >time, I<BR>&gt; suggested he pray through the memory himself to see if
> >more<BR>&gt; information surfaced.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Later I received an
> >email of the victory he experienced and<BR>&gt; then we talked on the
> >  telephone concerning the healing the Lord<BR>&gt; brought to him. Here is
> >his testimony.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; George reported, after getting off the
> >phone, that he sat in<BR>&gt; a chair and refocused on the memory. clearly
> >the images of the<BR>&gt; classroom, the other seated students, and the
> >teacher were all<BR>&gt; there. He even specifically recalled the teacher's
> >name. Most<BR>&gt; importantly, and most disturbingly, the fear and anxiety
> >and<BR>&gt; fright, which he could vividly feel, were still there as
> >well.<BR>&gt; He could not understand why. So, he asked the Lord. the reply
> >he<BR>&gt; received was that he had nearly always been frightened
> >and<BR>&gt; scared.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; George then requested the Lord show him
> >the source, or cause,<BR>&gt; for this fear. Immediately, as he saw and
> >remembered the images<BR>&gt; of the childhood memory, a dragon walked into
> >the room. It flung<BR>&gt; it's head from side to side and if sniffing the
> >air to find a<BR>&gt; particular victim. At
> >  that moment, a figure of Jesus appeared in<BR>&gt; one corner of the
> >room. George said, "Lord Jesus? What is that?<BR>&gt; dragon doing
> >here?"<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; The Lord said, "That's Puff the magic
> >dragon."<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; George knew, of course, that was the name of a
> >song which<BR>&gt; Peter, Paul and Mary sang many years ago. Those who
> >recall, the<BR>&gt; song, easily recognize the implication of dope smoking,
> >that<BR>&gt; symbolically produces dragons, that is, fairy tales or stories
> >of<BR>&gt; fantasy.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Author's Note.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; This
> >idea would be similar to Alice In Wonderland. After<BR>&gt; ingesting
> >certain types of mushrooms, psychedelic effects occurred<BR>&gt; in the
> >story. Here all this time you thought it was just a cute<BR>&gt; little
> >children's fairy tale. This is the same reasoning used by<BR>&gt; many
> >today, even born again Christians, to justify the Harry<BR>&gt; Potter
> >stories. It is time to draw the line.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; End Of Author's
> >  note.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; George confessed later to me that he used to often
> >sing this<BR>&gt; cute little song, Puff The Magic Dragon, to himself as he
> >worked<BR>&gt; because it seemed to bring comfort to him. It brought
> >something<BR>&gt; to him spiritually but not comfort.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;
> >George, after hearing what the Lord said and briefly<BR>&gt; considering
> >what he had heard, asked, "So what does Puff the magic<BR>&gt; dragon have
> >to do with this memory?"<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; The Lord said, "You have been
> >substituting fantasies to<BR>&gt; avoid, and to cope with, stress and
> >fearful circumstances in your<BR>&gt; life."<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; "What does the
> >dragon want from me?" George then asked.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; "He wants to kill
> >you," Jesus said matter of factly.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; It was clear to George
> >by this time what the dragon was.<BR>&gt; "Does this demon have a right to
> >be in my life?" George wanted to<BR>&gt; know.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; "No," came
> >the single word answer from the
> >  Lord.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; "What do you want me to do with him, then?" George
> >asked.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; "Send him away," came the succinct
> >answer.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; "In the name of the True Lord Jesus Christ," George
> >prayed,<BR>&gt; "I bind you and all those under your authority. I command
> >you to<BR>&gt; leave and to go to the place where the true Lord Jesus
> >Christ<BR>&gt; wants you to go. Don't ever come back."<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Then
> >a very curious thing happened, George said. The dragon<BR>&gt; began
> >leaving but as he stood there, a duplicate image of the<BR>&gt; dragon
> >separated itself from the first image and began exiting the<BR>&gt; room.
> >This was quickly followed by a second and a third and a<BR>&gt; fourth. The
> >main image remain where it was.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; George said, "Lord, what is
> >going on here?"<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; "these are the fantasies created in your
> >mind over the years<BR>&gt; to distract you from hearing the truth," he
> >heard the Holy Spirit<BR>&gt; speaking into his
> >  thoughts.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; "How many of these are there?" George asked
> >curiously.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Jesus said, "25."<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; George watched
> >as the images of the original dragon followed<BR>&gt; each other as they
> >exited the room until the final image, the<BR>&gt; original dragon, walked
> >out of the room as well.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; George looked at the corner where
> >Jesus had been standing and<BR>&gt; began laughing. Jesus was giving the
> >"thumbs up" signal and then,<BR>&gt; as George continued to watch, the Lord
> >began to dance around the<BR>&gt; room with joy causing George to laugh
> >even more. The fear and<BR>&gt; anxiety he felt as a 6th grader in the
> >classroom vanished and now<BR>&gt; joy and peace filled the room and the
> >boy.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; this is the type of thing that drives a lot of
> >Christians<BR>&gt; crazy. First, it is labeled as psycho heresy, self
> >hypnosis,<BR>&gt; personal guided imagery, theatrical meditation, lucid
> >dreaming, or<BR>&gt; sometimes it is simply label
> >  demonic. It is none of these things,<BR>&gt; of course, because it is
> >nothing more than intimate prayer with<BR>&gt; the True Lord Jesus Christ.
> >If you recall, Jesus was accused of<BR>&gt; casting out demons by the power
> >of Satan. (See Matthew 9:32-34).<BR>&gt; Of course, this argument makes no
> >sense whatsoever but many<BR>&gt; Christians have resigned themselves to
> >believing the Enemy has<BR>&gt; such imaginary power and the true Lord
> >Jesus does not. I grew up<BR>&gt; believing that anybody whoever saw Jesus
> >was a heretic,<BR>&gt; theologically twisted, and very likely mentally ill,
> >or worse,<BR>&gt; demon possessed.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Some choose to label
> >this form of prayer "inner healing," and<BR>&gt; thus attribute its origin
> >to New Age philosophy, heretical<BR>&gt; theology, or Luciferian mysticism.
> >You are free to believe<BR>&gt; whatever you wish. While you are believing
> >whatever it is you<BR>&gt; believe, keep in mind the true nature of the
> >Enemy, that is, Jesus<BR>&gt; said
> >  Satan has come to steel, kill and to destroy. (See John<BR>&gt;
> >10:10).<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; My question to you is this. Are you afraid? Do you
> >have<BR>&gt; anxiety and panic attacks and you don't know why? What is
> >the<BR>&gt; source of your depression? Would you like to be free? Call
> >me<BR>&gt; and learn to pray as George has.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Safe Place
> >Fellowship<BR>&gt; Phil Scovell<BR>&gt; Denver, Colorado<BR>&gt; Mountain
> >time Zone<BR>&gt; Phone: 303-507-5175<BR>&gt;
> >www.SafePlaceFellowship.com<BR>&gt;<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR><DIV>
> ><DIV>
> ><DIV align=center>
> ><DIV>
> ><DIV>
> ><DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=system color=#57708f><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=5><FONT
> >face="arial black"><FONT color=#7f007f>&nbsp;Your White Lily Candle
> >consultant!</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=system color=#57708f><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=5><FONT
> >face="arial black"><FONT color=#7f007f>**</FONT>Want to know what a day in
> >Heaven is like? Then come to</FONT> </FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT color=#57708f size=5><A
> >href="http://www.heavenscented.com/">www.heavenscented.com</A>
> ></FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=system color=#57708f><FONT face="arial narrow" size=5>-They
> >may forget what you did but they will never forget how you made them
> >feel.--Carl
> >Buechner<BR></FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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