No need to be sorry. Smile.
Vicki
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerri" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 11:54 PM
Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] how it went.
> Thanks, it needed saying in no uncertain terms. sorry I'm so blunt.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vicki and The Rors" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:50 PM
> Subject: Re: how it went.
>
>
> Amen Kerri.
>
> Vicki
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kerri" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 10:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] how it went.
>
>
> > Now Kathy, you are not whining at all. If we can't bear one another's
> > burdens and so fulfill the law of Christ, what are we here for? It is
true
> > that a thread does tend to go on a long time with lists but that is
> because
> > different time zones, schedules etc. Please don't ever be afraid to post
> > here. We all get tired and your problems become our problems. No one has
a
> > normal life as our problems are to us what your problems are to you does
> > this make sense.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 4:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: how it went.
> >
> >
> > Hey Vinny,
> > No, I know that life isn't easy and I"m sorry for being such a winer, if
> > that's the way that it is coming across. Sometimes, I hesitate to post
> > because my life just sounds so crazy compared to other people who are
> > posting. I really fear that other listers are going to grow tired of
the
> > drama here in Maine. I know that there is no instant fix short of
Christ,
> > but this has been building for four years and I'm just growing weary. I
> > right to you guys to be my Aaron, and Hurr, holding up my hands toward
> > victory because I am growing tired in the fight.
> > Kathy
> >
> > At 04:57 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote:
> > >Kathy,
> > >I have also seen where when God has his hand on someone, he'll just let
> the
> > >go for so long, until they come to themself. God has a much longer
range
> > >of
> > >vision than we have. I'm sure Phil and Sandi would have liked to have
> > >given
> > >up on Gretchen along time ago, but look at her now.
> > >No, it doesn't make what you are going through any easier, I know that,
> but
> > >then, (and I say this in humility) did The Lord ever say it would be
> easy?
> > >Oh, yes, the prosperity preachers and other false prophets have
> conditioned
> > >north American Christians to believe that all you had to do is to say
yes
> > >to
> > >Jesus and there would be no suffering and then one day we would all be
> > >whisked off to heaven. Wrong.
> > >
> > >Much love and prayers for you all,
> > >
> > > Vinny
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Kathy Du Bois" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:07 PM
> > >Subject: Re: how it went.
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks Vinny,
> > > > It is just so heart breaking to watch all this. I can't imagine how
> God
> > > > does it so much with all of us: watch us use our free will to be
> > > > stupid!
> > > > Kathy
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > At 02:53 PM 6/23/2005, you wrote:
> > > > >Hi Kathy,
> > > > >Well, I'm not a parent, and never have been, but frankly, I have to
> say
> > >that
> > > > >I would continue to monitor and not say a word.
> > > > >Kind of like what the Lord does with those he is trying to catch.
He
> > > > >watches, and watches, and gives people more rope than they need to
> hang
> > > > >themselves. You know the Scripture in Peter where it says that God
> is
> > >not
> > > > >slack, as some men count slackness etc.
> > > > >There is another scripture somewhere which begins "with the pure,
> thou
> > >wilt
> > > > >show thyself pure. it ends that witht eh froward, God will show
> himself
> > > > >Froward etc.
> > > > >People only think they are getting away with stuff, but it will
catch
> > > > >up
> > > > >with them, for sure.
> > > > >Keep diligent until he is 18, or till he gets in more trouble than
he
> > > > >can
> > > > >wiggle out of.
> > > > > From a non-parent.
> > > > >Vinny
> > > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > > >From: "Kathy Du Bois" <
> > > > >[log in to unmask]
> > > > > >
> > > > >To: <
> > > > >[log in to unmask]
> > > > > >
> > > > >Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:02 AM
> > > > >Subject: How it went.
> > > > > > Hi guys,
> > > > > > Well, I told you that there would be twists and turns.
> > > > > > Chris
> > > > >passed the
> > > > > > drug test. That really shocked us until we got home and
monitered
> > > > > > his
> > > > > > calls to his girlfriend and his druggy friend and learned that
he
> > >cheated
> > > > > > and put water in the cup. His girlfriends had told him to make
> sure
> > >that
> > > > > > it was warm, not cold. Chris followed her advice and got
another
> > >clean
> > > > > > report. Now he thinks that he's in the clear until his court
date
> > >July
> > > > > > 12th. Last night, I overheard him trying to meet up with
another
> > >dealer
> > > > >to
> > > > > > get some weed. Chris is getting money because he is doing some
> odd
> > >jobs
> > > > > > for our neighbor, who doesn't have the greatest reputation
either.
> > >this
> > > > > > guy pays Chris in cash so we never see it. chris doesn't tell
us
> > > > > > how
> > >much
> > > > > > he is getting, so we can't put a finger on how much he has so he
> can
> > >keep
> > > > > > trying to get weed, but pretend to be innocent with us. It's
> crazy
> > > > >making.
> > > > > > I have to admit that, for me, yesterday was a real
cricess
> > >moment
> > > > >in my
> > > > > > faith. I believe that we did all the right things. We tried to
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > him hold Chris accountable and face the consequences of his
> > > > > > actions.
> > > > >Now,
> > > > > > I wrestle with the question of, "why?" It's that same old
> question
> > >that
> > > > > > God doesn't usually answer, but I'm puzzling over why God let
> Chris
> > >get
> > > > > > away with this? I'm feeling let down by Him!
> > > > > > Another issue that Greg and I are wrestling with is
> whether
> > > > > > or
> > >not
> > > > >we
> > > > > > should let Chris know that he is being monitered so closely by
us.
> > > > > > We
> > > > > > began monitering when Chris started sneaking out in the middle
of
> > > > > > the
> > > > >night
> > > > > > and not telling us where he had been or where he was going and
> > >refusing
> > > > >to
> > > > > > give us the names of his friends. He never seemed to have any
> money
> > > > > > a
> > >nd
> > > > > > this was odd since he was earning more than $100 a week. He
> > >wouldn't
> > > > > > talk to us so we started investigating on our own to try to get
a
> > >handle
> > > > >on
> > > > > > things. We've managed to get a couple of people busted and we
> have
> > >been
> > > > > > able to continue to be very aware of Chris's activities:
> something
> > > > > > we
> > > > >feel
> > > > > > is justified since he is still under our roof and we are still
> > >completely
> > > > > > responsible for him. But, I'm interested in your opinions.
Would
> > > > > > you
> > > > > > tell? Have we fallen into the trap of being deceitful just like
> > > > > > Chris
> > >is,
> > > > > > or are we doing the right thing? You know, in a way, I think
> about
> > >how
> > > > >God
> > > > > > knows everything too, but He knows what He is doing. He knows
> what
> > >is
> > > > > > right. I need to seek the counsel of others for in that there
is
> > >wisdom.
> > > > > > Kathy
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
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