i am afraid that as we "redifine" marriage in this
country, there will be a push by poligamist to be
included. but i am resorting to hate speech again if i
say this. just an observation.
--- Linda Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Kendall,
>
> There are tons of good Mormon people. But Section
> 132 of the D & C
> (Doctrine and Covenants) the book the Mormons use to
> support their
> faith says any man may espouse ten virgins but that
> if a woman
> espouse another she shall be destroyed. This is a
> tenet of both the
> regular LDS and the FLDS. This doctrine has never
> been changed and
> the abusive men (and not all are) use this doctrine
> to support their abuse.
> We have tried to get Hatch involved for years to
> help us free the
> people inside polygamy and to enforce the law. We
> have reported tons
> of serious crimes and he has done nothing but claim
> how many good
> polygamists he knows. When the story of how many
> died as a result of
> this indifference is known, he is guilty in my
> opinion.
> The LDS Church through Senator Hatch and others in
> power would like
> to see polygamy overturned so they can re institute
> it as part of
> their faith that claims men will inherit their own
> planets in heaven
> and become gods themselves with as many wives as
> they desire. (Call
> me a crazy person with a lack of respect for faith
> but this is so
> WACKY it's difficult to understand how thinking
> people could buy this
> "philosophy"). This is not an open political move
> but Mormons in
> power constantly send up trial balloons like the
> statement in your
> post. Hatch's statements are part of that move.
> You would think any responsible person who had the
> knowledge that
> people have disappeared and are missing, along with
> the grossly high
> infant and death rate in there, the unmarked graves,
> lack of
> education, freedom of movement, trafficking of young
> girls across
> state and international lines, etc would call for an
> investigation,
> not be saying oh yes it could be overturned.
> Flora reported her mother as one of the disappeared
> and she has a
> sister who has also not been seen. They claim
> Flora's mother does not
> want to see her. However she turned in a letter to
> law enforcement
> from her mother that was smuggled out saying
> differently. Her mother
> cannot even mail a letter to her from inside that
> compound because
> the people working in the Post Office are
> polygamists enforcing the
> Prophets will. The priesthood leaders (another name
> for criminal
> gang) have let Flora know over the years that
> because of her activism
> her mother is suffering at their hands. They have
> shot at Flora who
> wears a bullet proof vest. Does this sound like a
> benign religious
> group to you? One US Senators should support?
> Every self respecting law abiding Mormon has a
> bigger duty IMHO to do
> something about this than the rest of the public
> because they know
> the history, the beliefs and the doctrine.. Flora
> recently revisited
> the grave sites and said how many new ones there
> are. There are
> credible stories Jeffs built a crematorium in the
> temple in Texas,
> yet law enforcement will not search that compound
> despite the fact we
> have reported others missing.
> Imagine being born inside there. You are not allowed
> to go to school,
> only hear the "Prophets" words. You have no health
> care because it is
> gods will that you were born that way. They blame it
> on the mothers
> lack of righteousness when she has a deformed child
> rather than
> generations of incest all mandated as a religious
> right/rite. Brigham
> Young preached uncles should marry nieces. This is a
> church founded
> on incest and sexual abuse of girls. Joseph Smith
> the founder married
> 84 women, some already married, and some still
> children, some mother
> and daughter pairs, a practice still common inside
> polygamy. Mormons
> today have to ignore all of these facts to believe
> Joseph Smith was a
> Prophet of GOD.
> The American pubic was horrified by early Mormon
> practices not
> because they were discriminating against one
> religion but because of
> the practices of these early Mormons. Before the
> railroad got to Utah
> there was no escape. Women risked their lives and
> were killed trying
> to get the authorities to listen to their stories
> and this is why
> polygamy was outlawed, not as the Mormons are so
> fond of claiming
> because they were discriminated against. I only wish
> todays public
> were as informed as yesterdays was.
> I am attacking the practices of this church. Freedom
> of religion
> gives the right to believe anything you want but it
> does not give the
> right to practice anything you want.
> The pertinent verse are 61 to 64 and here is the
> link to the belief
> that it is ok to destroy women and marry 10 virgins:
>
> http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/section132.htm
>
> I work on the civil suits on behalf of the people
> abused by churches.
> There is a huge difference in the Catholic response
> to this problem
> and the Mormon one. The Catholic people have a way
> to influence their
> leaders. It is not an authoritarian church.
> Catholics have been very
> clear that they want something done to stop the
> abuse of children.
> The Catholic leaders in historic settlements with
> victims have
> publicly apologized for the pain and trauma they
> have caused. They
> have instituted programs to stop the abuse. In my
> opinion the
> Catholic response has been a Christian one and they
> have stepped up
> to the plate to solve this problem. I only wish the
> news media would
> start contrasting their loving and responsible
> response towards
> victims with the one the Mormons have given.
> The Mormon response has been to try and stop the
> civil suits through
> legal or quasi legal means and to settle them with
> quash orders so
> the public does not know the extent of the abuse
> inside Mormonism. I
> have worked on other church suits as well but the
> LDS abusers are the
> sickest, worst dogs I have ever encountered.The
> facts are horrifying
> compared to the Catholic abusers. I am not going to
> mention some of
> them here because people who don't know what happens
> to children
> can't emotionally handle the facts. I can barely
> handle them and am
> often sad and grieving from what I know. l am upset
> by this church
> because I have seen the facts of their victimization
> and their
> response. I have been doing this work for over
> twenty five years,
> long before the public knew the churches had a
> problem.
> I am angry because of what I know and the lack of
> responsible
> response by law enforcement and the AG's. I am angry
> because my own
> family members were victims of this folly. The
> United Nations has
> mandated that polygamy is an inherent violation of
> womens and
> childrens' rights. There is world wide agreement on
> this point.
> Utahns lag behind because of their belief in Joseph
> Smith as a prophet of god.
> The link you sent is by a BYU teacher and you must
> be a card carrying
> Mormon and not write the true history to keep your
> position at BYU.
> Embry, the author, is what we call an historical
> apologist. For
> another viewpoint go to www.utlm.org
> These folks have been sued by the LDS Church to try
> and stop them
>
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