Brad,

He's a wood working kind of a guy.  Was a bus driver for his career, but
built houses from the ground up on the side.  A man's man, who doesn't think
he needs God.  Maybe he thinks God can't save the likes of him too, not
realizing that before God, we're all sinners.  It's okay for the ladies to
have, but being a man's man, he has no need for religion.  Haven't talked
with him for a long time.  He's closer to my sister because they are so much
alike.  And she is just plain anti-Jesus.

Vicki

----- Original Message -----
From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] Fw: [ECHURCH-USA] question


> Vicki,
>
> What is his objection? I mean some folks are too methodical or too much in
> reasoning things out to rely on faith, it isn't practical for them or they
> are too intellectual. Some  just think it is of no real value or
> application, no evidence of it being real and so don't believe. Others
just
> like where they are in life and don't want to upset the apple cart. Where
> does he stand? That would help a prayer focus.
>
> Brad
>
>
> At 07:28 AM 1/21/2006 -0700, you wrote:
> > > David and Brad,,
> > >
> > > Both my parents are seniors.  They're wonderful people.  My dad is not
> > > saved.  He struggles with severe chronic pain due to arthritis in his
> >spine.
> > > He said to me the other day in a casual conversation that he didn't
expect
> > > to live but 2 or 3 more years at most.  I don't know that I believe
it.
> > > However he is almost 80.  Any of us could be in eternity the next
second,
> >so
> > > only God knows.  It made me very sad.  We've prayed for him for years
for
> > > salvation.  Besides being my Dad, he's a favorite person.  When my dad
> >told
> > > me that we were on the phone, discussing something about my mom, as
she is
> > > having some physical issues.  He had company so we couldn't talk
longer.
> >I
> > > would be so sad not to have my dad with me in heaven.  Mom will be I
> > > believe.  I know others of us on this list have unsaved loved ones.
Pray
> > > for my dad.  And also for any other unsaved loved ones.
> > >
> > > Vicki
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "David Stahl" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:45 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] question
> > >
> > >
> > > > Jen, I'm going to offer an answer to your question.  Revelation
> > > > 21:4 says, "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes;
> > > > and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying,
> > > > neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are
> > > > passed away."  Please note that the first thing that verse tells us
> > > > is that God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.  Why do
> > > > you think that will be?  I believe at the white throne judgment,
> > > > when those of us who are saved, born again, believers, must
> > > > watch our loved ones who have rejected Christ being turned
> > > > away into hell for eternity, we will be filled with unspeakable
> > > > grief and sorrow, and will weep bitterly.  Afterward, God shall
> > > > wipe away all tears from our eyes; and there will be no more
> > > > unpleasantness in heaven from that time forward.  I realize this
> > > > is open to controversy; but that's my opinion, and I'm right.  LOL!
> > > > Dave
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "jen and Star" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:56 PM
> > > > Subject: question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Brad,
> > > >
> > > > You're absolutely right.  Of course we'll see our loved ones
again...
> > > saved
> > > > or not... at the white throne judgement.  My question to that is...
will
> > > we
> > > > be sad?  Will we cry when we see our unsaved loved ones be cast into
the
> > > > lake of fire?  Will Christ cry or feel sad?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jen and MAMA-Star
> > > > "Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have
trouble
> > > > remembering how to fly."
> > > > Author unknown
> > > > AIM: jenibear1998
> > > > msn
> > > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:21 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: Prayer for a friend
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Jen,
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes that is true, and what is really sad is that there are those
who
> > > > > aren't
> > > > > saved, and yet still think they will see loved ones when the game
is
> > > over.
> > > > > It still makes the loss go down easier now, but doesn't change the
> > > future
> > > > > that lyes before them in eternity. They may well see them, but if
not
> > > > > saved
> > > > > by Christ, they'll be meeting in a different rendezvous point than
> >they
> > > > > assumed. That to me would be worse.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brad
> > > > > At 05:07 PM 1/15/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > >>Brad.  This is true.  But i was just curious.  It seems a death is
> > > easier
> > > > >>if
> > > > >>one is saved because the grievigng individuals know they'll see
them
> > > > >>again.
> > > > >>Again, just curious.
> > > > >>Jen and MAMA-Star
> > > > >>"Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have
> >trouble
> > > > >>remembering how to fly."
> > > > >>Author unknown
> > > > >>AIM: jenibear1998
> > > > >>msn
> > > > >>[log in to unmask]
> > > > >>----- Original Message -----
> > > > >>From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >>Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:45 PM
> > > > >>Subject: Re: Prayer for a friend
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Jen,
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I would like to say yes, but as with any of us, it is between
them
> > > and
> > > > >> > God.
> > > > >> > They are good people, do much to help others, you couldn't find
> > > better
> > > > >> > folks, but as you know it is acceptance of Christ  in your
heart
> >that
> > > > >> > makes
> > > > >> > the difference and not works. I tend to think they are but I
don't
> > > > >> > know.
> > > > >> > Either way Kathy has found out one way or the other.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Brad
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > At 01:48 PM 1/15/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > >> >>thanks.  Isd lary and was his wife saved?
> > > > >> >>Jen and MAMA-Star
> > > > >> >>"Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have
> > > trouble
> > > > >> >>remembering how to fly."
> > > > >> >>Author unknown
> > > > >> >>AIM: jenibear1998
> > > > >> >>msn
> > > > >> >>[log in to unmask]
> > > > >> >>----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> >>From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >> >>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >> >>Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:43 PM
> > > > >> >>Subject: Re: Prayer for a friend
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> > PS. I like your tag line about friends.
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > Brad
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > At 12:02 PM 1/15/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> > > > >> >> >>wow brad.  Will keep him in prayer.  Do you see Lary often?
> > > > >> >> >>Jen and MAMA-Star
> > > > >> >> >>"Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings
have
> > > > >> >> >>trouble
> > > > >> >> >>remembering how to fly."
> > > > >> >> >>Author unknown
> > > > >> >> >>AIM: jenibear1998
> > > > >> >> >>msn
> > > > >> >> >>[log in to unmask]
> > > > >> >> >>----- Original Message -----
> > > > >> >> >>From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >> >> >>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >> >> >>Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:42 AM
> > > > >> >> >>Subject: Prayer for a friend
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >>
> > > > >> >> >> > Hello All,
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> > I would ask you pray for a very dear friend of mine who
lost
> > > his
> > > > >> >> >> > wife
> > > > >> >> >> > yesterday. In the midst of enjoying their final leg of a
> > > Western
> > > > >> >> >> > Caribbean
> > > > >> >> >> > cruise, along with many of their fellow friends and NFB
> > > members,
> > > > >> >> >> > Kathleen
> > > > >> >> >> > Sebranek suddenly passed away. Larry her husband, my
friend,
> > > will
> > > > >> >> >> > be
> > > > >> >> >> > especially grievous as they did everything together as a
> > > couple,
> > > > >> >> >> > many
> > > > >> >> >> > cruises and visits with friends across the US. No doubt
he
> >will
> > > > >> >> >> > be
> > > > >> >> >> > inundated with calls and visits of sympathy, which can be
> > > > >> >> >> > overwhelming
> > > > >> >> >> > in
> > > > >> >> >> > itself as nice as  the gesture is, I know as well he'll
have
> >a
> > > > >> >> >> > huge
> > > > >> >> >> > life
> > > > >> >> >> > change to deal with when things quiet. She in recent
times
> >has
> > > > >> >> >> > been
> > > > >> >> >> > in
> > > > >> >> >> > a
> > > > >> >> >> > wheel chair due to health various issues and also blind,
as
> > > well
> > > > >> >> >> > as
> > > > >> >> >> > Larry
> > > > >> >> >> > being blind himself pushing her around from event to
event,
> > > > >> >> >> > certainly
> > > > >> >> >> > were
> > > > >> >> >> > inspiring to those who felt they couldn't negotiate
travel
> >with
> > > a
> > > > >> >> >> > disability. We enjoyed a seven day cruise last year with
them
> > > > >> >> >> > when
> > > > >> >> >> > Brenda
> > > > >> >> >> > and I had our 20th wedding anniversary. Thanks so much
for
> >your
> > > > >> >> >> > prayers
> > > > >> >> >> > on
> > > > >> >> >> > his behalf.
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >> > Brad
> > > > >> >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> > Brad
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >> >   Do not change your theology to accommodate a tragedy
> > > > >> >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Brad
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >   Strive to be insulated, not insulated
> > > > >> >
> > > > >
> > > > > Brad
> > > > >
> > > > >   A successful relationship isn't finding the right person; it's
being
> > > the
> > > > > right person
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
> Brad
>
>    Don't wait for six strong men to take you to church
>