> David and Brad,,
>
> Both my parents are seniors.  They're wonderful people.  My dad is not
> saved.  He struggles with severe chronic pain due to arthritis in his
spine.
> He said to me the other day in a casual conversation that he didn't expect
> to live but 2 or 3 more years at most.  I don't know that I believe it.
> However he is almost 80.  Any of us could be in eternity the next second,
so
> only God knows.  It made me very sad.  We've prayed for him for years for
> salvation.  Besides being my Dad, he's a favorite person.  When my dad
told
> me that we were on the phone, discussing something about my mom, as she is
> having some physical issues.  He had company so we couldn't talk longer.
I
> would be so sad not to have my dad with me in heaven.  Mom will be I
> believe.  I know others of us on this list have unsaved loved ones.  Pray
> for my dad.  And also for any other unsaved loved ones.
>
> Vicki
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Stahl" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 10:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [ECHURCH-USA] question
>
>
> > Jen, I'm going to offer an answer to your question.  Revelation
> > 21:4 says, "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes;
> > and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying,
> > neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are
> > passed away."  Please note that the first thing that verse tells us
> > is that God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.  Why do
> > you think that will be?  I believe at the white throne judgment,
> > when those of us who are saved, born again, believers, must
> > watch our loved ones who have rejected Christ being turned
> > away into hell for eternity, we will be filled with unspeakable
> > grief and sorrow, and will weep bitterly.  Afterward, God shall
> > wipe away all tears from our eyes; and there will be no more
> > unpleasantness in heaven from that time forward.  I realize this
> > is open to controversy; but that's my opinion, and I'm right.  LOL!
> > Dave
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "jen and Star" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:56 PM
> > Subject: question
> >
> >
> > Brad,
> >
> > You're absolutely right.  Of course we'll see our loved ones again...
> saved
> > or not... at the white throne judgement.  My question to that is... will
> we
> > be sad?  Will we cry when we see our unsaved loved ones be cast into the
> > lake of fire?  Will Christ cry or feel sad?
> >
> >
> > Jen and MAMA-Star
> > "Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble
> > remembering how to fly."
> > Author unknown
> > AIM: jenibear1998
> > msn
> > [log in to unmask]
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: Prayer for a friend
> >
> >
> > > Jen,
> > >
> > > Yes that is true, and what is really sad is that there are those who
> > > aren't
> > > saved, and yet still think they will see loved ones when the game is
> over.
> > > It still makes the loss go down easier now, but doesn't change the
> future
> > > that lyes before them in eternity. They may well see them, but if not
> > > saved
> > > by Christ, they'll be meeting in a different rendezvous point than
they
> > > assumed. That to me would be worse.
> > >
> > > Brad
> > > At 05:07 PM 1/15/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>Brad.  This is true.  But i was just curious.  It seems a death is
> easier
> > >>if
> > >>one is saved because the grievigng individuals know they'll see them
> > >>again.
> > >>Again, just curious.
> > >>Jen and MAMA-Star
> > >>"Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have
trouble
> > >>remembering how to fly."
> > >>Author unknown
> > >>AIM: jenibear1998
> > >>msn
> > >>[log in to unmask]
> > >>----- Original Message -----
> > >>From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >>Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 3:45 PM
> > >>Subject: Re: Prayer for a friend
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > Jen,
> > >> >
> > >> > I would like to say yes, but as with any of us, it is between them
> and
> > >> > God.
> > >> > They are good people, do much to help others, you couldn't find
> better
> > >> > folks, but as you know it is acceptance of Christ  in your heart
that
> > >> > makes
> > >> > the difference and not works. I tend to think they are but I don't
> > >> > know.
> > >> > Either way Kathy has found out one way or the other.
> > >> >
> > >> > Brad
> > >> >
> > >> > At 01:48 PM 1/15/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> > >> >>thanks.  Isd lary and was his wife saved?
> > >> >>Jen and MAMA-Star
> > >> >>"Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have
> trouble
> > >> >>remembering how to fly."
> > >> >>Author unknown
> > >> >>AIM: jenibear1998
> > >> >>msn
> > >> >>[log in to unmask]
> > >> >>----- Original Message -----
> > >> >>From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> >>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> >>Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:43 PM
> > >> >>Subject: Re: Prayer for a friend
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > PS. I like your tag line about friends.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Brad
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > At 12:02 PM 1/15/2006 -0500, you wrote:
> > >> >> >>wow brad.  Will keep him in prayer.  Do you see Lary often?
> > >> >> >>Jen and MAMA-Star
> > >> >> >>"Friends are angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have
> > >> >> >>trouble
> > >> >> >>remembering how to fly."
> > >> >> >>Author unknown
> > >> >> >>AIM: jenibear1998
> > >> >> >>msn
> > >> >> >>[log in to unmask]
> > >> >> >>----- Original Message -----
> > >> >> >>From: "MV" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> >> >>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> >> >>Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:42 AM
> > >> >> >>Subject: Prayer for a friend
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> >> > Hello All,
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > I would ask you pray for a very dear friend of mine who lost
> his
> > >> >> >> > wife
> > >> >> >> > yesterday. In the midst of enjoying their final leg of a
> Western
> > >> >> >> > Caribbean
> > >> >> >> > cruise, along with many of their fellow friends and NFB
> members,
> > >> >> >> > Kathleen
> > >> >> >> > Sebranek suddenly passed away. Larry her husband, my friend,
> will
> > >> >> >> > be
> > >> >> >> > especially grievous as they did everything together as a
> couple,
> > >> >> >> > many
> > >> >> >> > cruises and visits with friends across the US. No doubt he
will
> > >> >> >> > be
> > >> >> >> > inundated with calls and visits of sympathy, which can be
> > >> >> >> > overwhelming
> > >> >> >> > in
> > >> >> >> > itself as nice as  the gesture is, I know as well he'll have
a
> > >> >> >> > huge
> > >> >> >> > life
> > >> >> >> > change to deal with when things quiet. She in recent times
has
> > >> >> >> > been
> > >> >> >> > in
> > >> >> >> > a
> > >> >> >> > wheel chair due to health various issues and also blind, as
> well
> > >> >> >> > as
> > >> >> >> > Larry
> > >> >> >> > being blind himself pushing her around from event to event,
> > >> >> >> > certainly
> > >> >> >> > were
> > >> >> >> > inspiring to those who felt they couldn't negotiate travel
with
> a
> > >> >> >> > disability. We enjoyed a seven day cruise last year with them
> > >> >> >> > when
> > >> >> >> > Brenda
> > >> >> >> > and I had our 20th wedding anniversary. Thanks so much for
your
> > >> >> >> > prayers
> > >> >> >> > on
> > >> >> >> > his behalf.
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >> > Brad
> > >> >> >> >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Brad
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >   Do not change your theology to accommodate a tragedy
> > >> >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Brad
> > >> >
> > >> >   Strive to be insulated, not insulated
> > >> >
> > >
> > > Brad
> > >
> > >   A successful relationship isn't finding the right person; it's being
> the
> > > right person
> > >
> >
>