Boy Phil,
         Your post makes me think that I am reading my future.  The
difference is that we are kicking Chris out in 22 days when he turns
18, and then, if he wants to live with us, again, as the prodigal
come home, then we will negotiate ground rules.  Right now, it would
be like talking to the wall, but you already know and understand that.
         By the way, Karen had made a comment earlier about
enabling.  I don't think that anyone could accuse Phil and Sandy, or
Greg and myself of enabling.  We are all trying to walk the tough
love rout.  As parents, however, we can still see the good in our
wayward child and it is that good that we continue to fight for to
bring to the surface.
Kathy


At 01:40 AM 10/7/2005, you wrote:
>All went well and everyone got to speak their mind.  Gretchen wants to stay
>but understands that we are holding her accountable.  Some basic rules were
>laid down and she understands that if those rules are broken, she will have
>to move out.  She agreed to allow her brother, who is her employer, to help
>her each week be accountable with her money.  She agreed to meet with me
>once a week for prayer sessions to get at the root of the original problems.
>So, although we all are still skeptical and are unable to yet trust her, we
>are willing to try and be of help to her if she is willing to work with us.
>This is why Sandy and I, along with Keith and Everett, were there.  This
>way, she knows, Sandy and I are not alone.  So, thank you for your prayers.
>I have a feeling that Gretchen may have realized tonight that a few people
>love her enough to help her.  That may make the difference.  We all made it
>very clear, that without the Lord, she will not make it on her own.  Thanks
>again for all the prayers.
>
>Phil.
>
>
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